<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">+1<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Owen</div><div class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jun 25, 2019, at 04:28 , Frank Habicht <<a href="mailto:geier@geier.ne.tz" class="">geier@geier.ne.tz</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">I agree.</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Frank</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">On 25/06/2019 13:42, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD wrote:</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">In my opinion, it should be clearly defined up-front. Otherwise “legally<br class="">speaking”, it creates “procedural indefension”.<br class=""><br class=""> <br class=""><br class="">Both, people supporting and people objecting to any policy proposal must<br class="">know “a priori” the terms.<br class=""><br class=""> <br class=""><br class="">Regards,<br class=""><br class="">Jordi<br class=""><br class="">@jordipalet<br class=""><br class=""> <br class=""><br class=""> <br class=""><br class=""> <br class=""><br class="">El 25/6/19 12:38, "Moses Serugo" <<a href="mailto:moses.serugo@gmail.com" class="">moses.serugo@gmail.com</a><br class=""><<a href="mailto:moses.serugo@gmail.com" class="">mailto:moses.serugo@gmail.com</a>>> escribió:<br class=""><br class=""> <br class=""><br class="">Hello Jordi,<br class=""><br class=""> <br class=""><br class="">The last call period is at least two weeks from today but can be any<br class="">maximum based of feedback received and reactions from the community.<br class=""><br class=""> <br class=""><br class="">Regards,<br class=""><br class="">Moses<br class=""><br class=""> <br class=""><br class="">On Tue, Jun 25, 2019, 1:26 PM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ<br class=""><<a href="mailto:jordi.palet@consulintel.es" class="">jordi.palet@consulintel.es</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="mailto:jordi.palet@consulintel.es" class="">mailto:jordi.palet@consulintel.es</a>>> wrote:<br class=""><br class=""> Hi Moses,<br class=""><br class=""> <br class=""><br class=""> Thanks a lot for your quick reaction on this and for the good<br class=""> summary to the community.<br class=""><br class=""> <br class=""><br class=""> One clarification that is needed from your side, if you don’t mind.<br class=""><br class=""> <br class=""><br class=""> For the two policy proposals that reached consensus and had started<br class=""> the last-call period today, is it a default/minimum two-weeks ?<br class=""><br class=""> <br class=""><br class=""> My opinion is tha two-weeks is sufficient considering that in both<br class=""> proposals, neither in the list or in the meeting, there was any<br class=""> opossition (if I recall correctly), but it is neccesary to clearly<br class=""> state it in the “last-call” announcement from a procedural point of<br class=""> view.<br class=""><br class=""> <br class=""><br class=""> Regards,<br class=""><br class=""> Jordi<br class=""><br class=""> @jordipalet<br class=""><br class=""> <br class=""><br class=""> <br class=""><br class=""> <br class=""><br class=""> El 25/6/19 12:10, "Moses Serugo" <<a href="mailto:moses.serugo@gmail.com" class="">moses.serugo@gmail.com</a><br class=""> <<a href="mailto:moses.serugo@gmail.com" class="">mailto:moses.serugo@gmail.com</a>>> escribió:<br class=""><br class=""> <br class=""><br class=""> Dear PDWG members,<br class=""><br class=""> Consequent to the discussions by the PDWG community present at<br class=""> AFRINIC-30 during the Public Policy Meeting held on 19th June 2019<br class=""> in Kampala Uganda, the following two policy proposals below have<br class=""> been moved to “*Last* *Call*”, starting today 25th June 2019.<br class=""><br class=""> *A) IPv6 PI Update (AFPUB-2018-V6-004) currently CPM 6.8.2(v)*<br class=""><br class=""> *B) AFPUB-2018-v4-001-DRAFT-01 (SL Update)*<br class=""><br class=""> <br class=""><br class=""> *_Decisions on policy proposals discussed during the meeting_*<br class=""><br class=""> <br class=""><br class=""> *AFRINIC Policy Development Process – bis*<br class=""><br class=""> *Decision: **Back to list for further discussion and refinement*<br class=""><br class=""> *<a href="https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2017-gen-002-d5#proposal*" class="">https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2017-gen-002-d5#proposal*</a><br class=""> <<a href="https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2017-gen-002-d5" class="">https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2017-gen-002-d5</a>><br class=""><br class=""> This proposal is a major revision of the current Policy Development<br class=""> Process. Major highlights include:<br class=""><br class=""> • A clearer mechanism for appeals and disputes.<br class=""><br class=""> • Introduction of distinct phases in the policy proposal life<br class=""> cycle.<br class=""><br class=""> • More transparency around consensus-gauging.<br class=""><br class=""> <br class=""><br class=""> <br class=""><br class=""> *Abuse*<br class=""> <<a href="https://afrinic.net/en/community/policy-development/policy-proposals/2313-ipv6-policy-and-references-update" class="">https://afrinic.net/en/community/policy-development/policy-proposals/2313-ipv6-policy-and-references-update</a>>*Contact<br class=""> Policy Update*<br class=""><br class=""> *Decision: **Back to list for further discussion and refinement*<br class=""><br class=""> <a href="https://afrinic.net/policy/2018-gen-001-d2" class="">https://afrinic.net/policy/2018-gen-001-d2</a><br class=""><br class=""> Updates CPM 8.0 (Abuse Contact Information) with the following key<br class=""> amendments: <br class=""><br class=""> • Introduction of a mandatory “abuse-c” attribute into<br class=""> inetnum, inet6num and aut-num whois database objects for resources<br class=""> directly issued by AFRINIC. The value of this attribute is an<br class=""> “abuse-mailbox”, which must be a valid e-mail address.<br class=""><br class=""> • A mechanism is proposed to validate the “abuse-mailbox” and<br class=""> report/escalate invalid or those that are unresponsive.<br class=""><br class=""> <br class=""><br class=""> <br class=""><br class=""> *Provisions for Resource Hijacking*<br class=""><br class=""> *Decision: **Back to list for further discussion and refinement*<br class=""><br class=""> <a href="https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals/provisions-for-resource-hijacking" class="">https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals/provisions-for-resource-hijacking</a><br class=""><br class=""> The proposal provides a framework for recognizing that IP address<br class=""> hijacks are a policy violation within the AFRINIC service region. A<br class=""> method to identify and report hijacks is proposed and a pool of<br class=""> experts chosen from the community is instituted to investigate each<br class=""> reported case.<br class=""><br class=""> <br class=""><br class=""> <br class=""><br class=""> *IPv4 Inter-RIR Legacy Resource Transfers*<br class=""><br class=""> *Decision: **Back to list for further discussion and refinement*<br class=""><br class=""> <a href="https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2019-v4-001-d1#proposal" class="">https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2019-v4-001-d1#proposal</a><br class=""> <<a href="https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2019-v4-001-d1" class="">https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2019-v4-001-d1</a>><br class=""><br class=""> • Establishes a mechanism to allow transfers of *legacy* IPv4 space<br class=""> to/from other regions. The intent is to align AFRINIC with an IPv4<br class=""> address market that already exists for which AFRICA is not currently<br class=""> part.<br class=""><br class=""> • The author fronted two Inter-RIR proposals with hope to withdraw<br class=""> one if the other passes through.<br class=""><br class=""> <br class=""><br class=""> <br class=""><br class=""> *IPv4 Inter-RIR Resource Transfers (Comprehensive Scope)*<br class=""> <<a href="https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2019-v4-002-d1" class="">https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2019-v4-002-d1</a>><br class=""><br class=""> *Decision: **Back to list for further discussion and refinement*<br class=""><br class=""> *<a href="https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2019-v4-002-d1*" class="">https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2019-v4-002-d1*</a><br class=""><br class=""> • Allows establishing a mechanism to allow transfers of IPv4 space<br class=""> to/from other regions. The intent is to align AFRINIC with an IPv4<br class=""> address market that already exists for which AFRICA is not currently<br class=""> part.<br class=""><br class=""> • The author fronted two Inter-RIR proposals with hope to withdraw<br class=""> one if the other passes through.<br class=""><br class=""> <br class=""><br class=""> *IPv6 PI Clarification*<br class=""><br class=""> *Decision: **Last Call*<br class=""><br class=""> *<a href="https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2019-v6-001-d2#proposal*" class="">https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2019-v6-001-d2#proposal*</a><br class=""> <<a href="https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2019-v6-001-d2" class="">https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2019-v6-001-d2</a>><br class=""><br class=""> • Amends original policy proposal “IPv6 PI Update”<br class=""> (AFPUB-2018-V6-004) currently CPM 6.8.2(v), which requires that IPv6<br class=""> PI space should be announced within 12 months of getting it, and<br class=""> should not be disaggregated.<br class=""><br class=""> • This proposal does not make it mandatory to announce the<br class=""> space, since there is no RFC1918 equivalent for IPv4, and cases like<br class=""> IXP peering LAN space doesn’t necessarily have to be announced. If<br class=""> announced however, the condition to disaggregate it is still in place.<br class=""><br class=""> <br class=""><br class=""> *SL Update*<br class=""><br class=""> *Decision: **Last Call*<br class=""><br class=""> *<a href="https://afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2018-v4-001*" class="">https://afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2018-v4-001*</a><br class=""><br class=""> Proposes an update to CPM 5.4.7.2 which removes the Board’s power to<br class=""> replenish the (exhaustion) pool with any IPv4 space available at the<br class=""> time (such as the /12 reserve in 5.4.7.1). The proposal also<br class=""> stipulates that the same /12, if still unused by the time phase 2<br class=""> space is exhausted, be automatically<br class=""><br class=""> <br class=""><br class=""> *Multihoming not required for ASN*<br class=""><br class=""> *Decision: **Back to list for further discussion and refinement*<br class=""><br class=""> *<a href="https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2019-asn-001-d2*" class="">https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2019-asn-001-d2*</a><br class=""><br class=""> Modifies CPM 7.4 by removing 7.4.2, a clause requiring requestors of<br class=""> ASNs to be multihomed (or demonstrate plan thereof). Instead, the<br class=""> proposal sets the following criteria:<br class=""><br class=""> • A unique routing policy or<br class=""><br class=""> • Interconnection with one or more other ASNs which requires a<br class=""> globally unique ASN.<br class=""><br class=""> • An organization will also be eligible if it can demonstrate that<br class=""> it will meet any of the above criteria upon receiving an ASN (or<br class=""> within the following six months).<br class=""><br class=""> <br class=""><br class=""> <br class=""><br class=""> *Internet Number Resources Review by AFRINIC*<br class=""><br class=""> *Decision: **Back to list for further discussion and refinement*<br class=""><br class=""> *<a href="https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2016-gen-001-d8*" class="">https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2016-gen-001-d8*</a><br class=""><br class=""> The proposal introduces a mechanism for AFRINIC to conduct reviews<br class=""> (or audits) for IPv4 number resources issued to members, and<br class=""> recommends reclamation of resources that are found to be in breach<br class=""> or not in compliance.<br class=""><br class=""> <br class=""><br class=""> *Clarification on temporary resource usage*<br class=""><br class=""> */This proposal was withdrawn by authors just before it was discussed/*<br class=""><br class=""> <br class=""><br class=""> Thanks & Regards,<br class=""><br class=""> *Moses Serugo*<br class=""> PDWG Chair - AFRINIC<br class=""> Tel: +256772212481<br class=""> Email:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:moses.serugo@gmail.com" class="">moses.serugo@gmail.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="mailto:moses.serugo@gmail.com" class="">mailto:moses.serugo@gmail.com</a>><br class=""><br class=""> _______________________________________________ RPD mailing list<br class=""> <a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net" class="">RPD@afrinic.net</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net" class="">mailto:RPD@afrinic.net</a>><br class=""> <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd" class="">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""> **********************************************<br class=""> IPv4 is over<br class=""> Are you ready for the new Internet ?<br class=""> <a href="http://www.theipv6company.com" class="">http://www.theipv6company.com</a><br class=""> The IPv6 Company<br class=""><br class=""> This electronic message contains information which may be privileged<br class=""> or confidential. 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