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<p>Hi,</p>
<p>"micro" (total IPv6 space is a single /32, IPv4 is a /22 and /21.</p>
<p>About a day for a single person since we keep records and try to
keep our whois data up to date as well.</p>
<p>So in terms of operational cost, around $1000 USD.</p>
<p>This assumes that AfriNIC will simply require a breakdown of how
our IP space is allocated and not more in-depth analysis of how
well (or not) some of our customers utilize the sub-allocated
space, or in some cases, the wastage as required by some of our
upstream service providers.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2019/06/24 17:31, JORDI PALET
MARTINEZ via RPD wrote:<br>
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lang="EN-US">I think there is one more cost to be considered
here as well.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">Each
time an ISP gets the audit, it will need to dedicate staff
for that.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">It is
dificult to calculate “how much” that means, as it may
depend on many factors, such as how big is the ISP, how
many resources they have, how many customers from
different types (business, residential), what provisioning
system they have, IPAM if any, level of “automation” and
“inventory” of the network, etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">May be
it is a good exersice for some of you to calculate (rought
idea), how much staff/resources and how many weeks, this
will take to you, if the policy it is implemented?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">A few
examples, could help the community to take a decision.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">Jordi<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">@jordipalet<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">El 24/6/19
17:25, "Timothy Ola Akinfenwa" <<a
href="mailto:akin.akinfenwa@uniosun.edu.ng"
moz-do-not-send="true">akin.akinfenwa@uniosun.edu.ng</a>>
escribió:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Hello
Andrew, <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">While I
also agree that Staff provide information on the likely
financial implication for the audit, I don't understand
why there should be a separate allocation for
litigation. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Is it wise
for an organisation to budget funds for likely court
cases when instead they should strive to prevent one in
the first place? <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">For me, I
think it is critical to ensure that Staff actions on any
audit review does not amount to litigation. And this may
be captured as a suggestion in the policy as well, if
necessary.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Sent
from my OnePlus mobile device! </>$aa;<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">On Mon,
24 Jun 2019, 3:53 PM Andrew Alston, <<a
href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">I
would agree that these numbers would be useful
- and must in addition include contingent
liability allocation for litigation that could
result due to implementation of this policy<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Andrew
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Liquid
Telecommunications - Group Head Of IP Strategy<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><b><span
style="color:black">From:</span></b><span
style="color:black"> Ish Sookun <<a
href="mailto:ish.sookun@lasentinelle.mu"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">ish.sookun@lasentinelle.mu</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 24, 2019 5:39:19 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">rpd@afrinic.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [rpd] Proposal Update
received: Internet Number Resources Review by
AFRINIC</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Dear
PDWG Co-Chairs,<br>
<br>
It was expressed during the last meeting that this
policy will have<br>
financial implications on AfriNIC due to costs
associated to auditing.<br>
<br>
Is it possible to obtain an approximate cost
figure (from staff) that<br>
such audits would entail?<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
Ish Sookun<br>
<br>
On 6/8/19 10:24 PM, Dewole Ajao wrote:<br>
> Dear PDWG members,<br>
> <br>
> This is to inform you that authors of the
policy proposal named "Internet Number Resources
Review by AFRINIC" have submitted an updated
version (Draft version 8) as included below. The
URL will be shared once published online.<br>
> <br>
> Please take some time to go through the
proposal contents and provide your feedback.<br>
> <br>
> Thank you.<br>
> PDWG Co-Chairs<br>
> <br>
> <br>
>
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> <br>
> ------------------- Begin<br>
>
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> <br>
> Name : Internet Number Resources Review
by AFRINIC (Draft 8)<br>
> Ref. Name: AFPUB-2016-GEN-001-DRAFT08<br>
> Status: Under Discussion<br>
> Date: 7 June 2019<br>
> <br>
> Authors:<br>
> (a) Amelina A. A. Arnaud | <<a
href="mailto:arnaud.amelina@togorer.tg"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">arnaud.amelina@togorer.tg</a><br>
> <mailto:<a
href="mailto:arnaud.amelina@togorer.tg"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">arnaud.amelina@togorer.tg</a>>>
| AUF/TogoRER<br>
> (b) Jean-Baptiste Millogo |<<a
href="mailto:jean.millogo@orange.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">jean.millogo@orange.com</a><br>
> <mailto:<a
href="mailto:jean.millogo@orange.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">jean.millogo@orange.com</a>>>|
Orange Burkina<br>
> (c) Marcus ADOMEY <<a
href="mailto:madomey@ug.edu.gh" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">madomey@ug.edu.gh</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:madomey@ug.edu.gh"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">madomey@ug.edu.gh</a>>>
| University of Ghana<br>
> <br>
> 13.0 Summary of the Problem Being Addressed
by this Policy Proposal<br>
> <br>
> As Internet Number resources are finite,
their allocation is based on<br>
> the operational needs of end-users and
Internet Services Providers,<br>
> while avoiding stockpiling in accordance with
RFC7020, IPv4 Allocation<br>
> Policy CPM 5.5, IPv6 Allocation and
assignment policy CPM 6.5 and Policy<br>
> for Autonomous System Numbers (ASN)
Management in the AFRINIC region CPM<br>
> 7.0.Section 4 of the Registration Service
Agreement (RSA) provides the<br>
> framework for investigations of the usage of
allocated Internet Number<br>
> resources, defines members’ obligation to
cooperate and the measures to<br>
> be taken by AFRINIC in case of failure to
comply. The lack of such<br>
> investigation or regular control can lead to
inefficient usage of the<br>
> Internet Number resources, to stockpiling and
other type of abuses.<br>
> <br>
> 13.0.1 Summary of How this Proposal Addresses
the Problem<br>
> <br>
> In order to ensure efficient and appropriate
use of resources, AFRINIC<br>
> shall conduct regular reviews of resource
utilisation held by its<br>
> members. This would allow recovery of any
type of resource, where usage<br>
> is not in compliance with the RSA. Those
resources can be reallocated<br>
> for better usage.<br>
> <br>
> 13.0.2 Proposal<br>
> <br>
> The policy proposal will modify the CPM as
follows:<br>
> <br>
> Insert a section 13 to the CPM as follows:<br>
> <br>
> 13.0 Internet Number Resources Review<br>
> <br>
> Regular reviews of resource utilisation are
conducted by AFRINIC to<br>
> ensure efficient and appropriate usage of
resources. This allows for<br>
> recovery of any type of resource where usage
is not in compliance with<br>
> the RSA; to allow such resources to be
reallocated for better usage.<br>
> <br>
> 13.1 The reviews shall be based on compliance
with the terms outlined in<br>
> the RSA and Allocation/Assignment Policies.<br>
> <br>
> 13.2 The reviews cover all allocated/Assigned
resources, but priority<br>
> goes to IPv4 and ASN mappable to two-octet
ASN.<br>
> <br>
> 13.3 Classes of review: Members to be
reviewed shall be selected<br>
> according to the following classes:<br>
> <br>
> 13.3.1 Random<br>
> <br>
> The member is chosen by AFRINIC at random
between the members who has<br>
> not been reviewed for any other reasons in
the preceding 24 months.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> 13.3.2 Selected<br>
> <br>
> Member is selected because of an internal
report or due to a lack of<br>
> contact between the AFRINIC and the member.<br>
> <br>
> 13.3.3 Reported: <br>
> <br>
> Here, members are reviewed either because:<br>
> <br>
> A) They have requested the review themselves
or<br>
> <br>
> B) There has been a community complaint made
against them that warrants<br>
> investigation. Complaints shall be backed by
evidence and AFRINIC staff<br>
> shall evaluate the facts as appropriate to
conduct the review. However<br>
> this review is not applicable to a member
with the same resources<br>
> portfolio on which a full review has been
completed in the preceding 24<br>
> months.<br>
> <br>
> AFRINIC staff may, at its sole discretion,
after having assessed the<br>
> nature of the evidence found in the community
complaint, require that<br>
> such evidence be (i) submitted in the form of
a sworn affidavit or (ii)<br>
> declared to be true before a Commissioner of
Oath.<br>
> <br>
> 13.4 In case of non-compliance and if
evidence has been established in<br>
> accordance with:<br>
> <br>
> • Breach of AFRINIC policies<br>
> • Breach of the provisions of the
registration service agreement or<br>
> other legal agreements between the
organisation holding the resource and<br>
> AFRINIC.<br>
> <br>
> AFRNIC shall initiate the resource recovery
process on the portion of<br>
> addresses found to be noncompliant.<br>
> <br>
> A) AFRINIC shall attempt to contact the
organisation and correct any<br>
> discrepancy towards the RSA. Except in cases
of fraudulent resource<br>
> acquisition or unlawful usage and abuse, the
organization shall be<br>
> given a minimum of six(6) months to effect
the return of the resources.<br>
> <br>
> If the organisation is cooperative and
working in good faith to<br>
> substantially restore compliance or has a
valid need for additional time<br>
> to renumber out of the affected blocks,
AFRINIC shall negotiate a longer<br>
> term.<br>
> <br>
> The acceptance level of compliance and
duration of the longer term are<br>
> at AFRINIC staff discretion.<br>
> <br>
> B) If the situation cannot be rectified and
the member did not transfer<br>
> the resources to meet other AFRINIC-approved
needs as per adopted policies<br>
> <br>
> AFRINIC shall publish the resources to be
recovered for a period of<br>
> three (3) months; during which the
organisation may at any time, seek<br>
> compliance or transfer the resources to other
members<br>
> <br>
> After this period, the resource shall be
recovered and therefore the<br>
> records of the previous holder of the
recovered resource shall be<br>
> updated in AFRINIC’s databases.<br>
> <br>
> C) Any Internet Number Resources recovered
under this policy may be<br>
> assigned/allocated under existing Allocation
and Assignment Policies.<br>
> <br>
> 13.5 Appeal procedure<br>
> <br>
> Reviewed members who are not satisfied have
the right to appeal against<br>
> the results on the review within the four
weeks following communication<br>
> of the results by AFRINIC. Appeals shall
follow an arbitration process<br>
> as provided for in the<br>
> Code de Procedure Civile (Code of Civil
Procedure) of the Republic of<br>
> Mauritius. AFRINIC may, on request from an
aggrieved party, suggest a<br>
> pool of arbitrators who shall be
knowledgeable volunteers from the<br>
> community.<br>
> <br>
> 13.6 Compliance Report<br>
> <br>
> AFRINIC shall publish an annual meaningful
report describing review<br>
> activities, in accordance with all applicable
laws and regulations.<br>
> <br>
> 13.7 Acknowledgements<br>
> <br>
> The authors thank Ms Wafa Dahmani Zaafouri
(become Afrinic GC Chair), Mr<br>
> Serge ILUNGA (become Afrinic Board member)
and Mr Alain P. Aina for<br>
> their contributions in the development of
this Policy proposal.<br>
> <br>
> The authors also thank the community for the
discussions and contributions.<br>
> <br>
> 4.0 Revision History<br>
> <br>
> 18 May 2016<br>
> Version 1.0<br>
> - First Draft AFPUB-2016-GEN-001-DRAFT01<br>
> - Posted on RPD list<br>
> <br>
> 05 Aug 2016<br>
> Version 2.0<br>
> - Second Draft AFPUB-2016-GEN-001-DRAFT02<br>
> - Change on the policy’s name<br>
> - Addition of the Acknowledgement section<br>
> - Rephrasing of section 3.3.3<br>
> <br>
> 18 Nov 2016<br>
> Version 3.0<br>
> - Third Draft AFPUB-2016-GEN-001-DRAFT03<br>
> - Update of section 3.3.3 from discussions on
mailing list<br>
> - Update of section 3.7 (Acknowledgements) to
thank the community for<br>
> discussions and contributions<br>
> <br>
> 11 Apr 2017<br>
> Version 4.0<br>
> - Fourth Draft AFPUB-2016-GEN-001-DRAFT04<br>
> - Update and Rephrasing of section 3.4<br>
> - Update and Rephrasing of section 3.5<br>
> - Update and Rephrasing of section 3.6<br>
> <br>
> 21 Oct. 2107<br>
> Version 5.0<br>
> - Fifth Draft AFPUB-2016-GEN-001-DRAFT05<br>
> - Adding the paragraph C to 13.3.3. according
to the legal counsel<br>
> proposition<br>
> - Rephrasing the paragraph 13.5 to comply
with staff and legal assessment<br>
> - Rephrasing the paragraph 13.6 to comply
with staff assessment and<br>
> avoid any ambiguity<br>
> - Changing the co-authors list<br>
> - Updating the Acknowledgement session<br>
> - Amending 13.4 (B) to reflect the Transfer
policies<br>
> <br>
> 06 Apr. 2018<br>
> Version 6.0<br>
> - Sixth Draft AFPUB-2016-GEN-001-DRAFT06<br>
> - Removing categorisation between membership
in random class section 13.3.1<br>
> <br>
> 06 Apr. 2019<br>
> Version 07<br>
> - Seventh Draft AFPUB-2016-GEN-001-DRAFT07<br>
> - Modifying section 13.4 Paragraph A) to
clarify the resources recovery<br>
> process: set conditions under which a member
could be given longer term<br>
> to effect the return of affected resources.<br>
> <br>
> 29 may. 2019<br>
> Version 08<br>
> - Eighth Draft AFPUB-2016-GEN-001-DRAFT08<br>
> - Section 13.3.1 changes to : "..The member
is chosen by AFRINIC at<br>
> random between the members who has not been
reviewed for any other<br>
> reasons in the preceding 24 months."<br>
> - Section 13.4 last paragraph changes to :
"AFRINIC shall initiate<br>
> ... on the portion of addresses found to be
noncompliant."<br>
> - Section 13.5 changes to “Reviewed
members who are not satisfied<br>
> have the right to appeal against the results
on the review within the<br>
> four weeks following communication of the
results by AFRINIC……..”<br>
> - Typos and grammatical errors fixed.<br>
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