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    <p>Hi all,</p>
    Le vendredi 21 juin 2019, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <<a
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              lang="EN-US">Hi Sylvain,</span></p>
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                style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">I want
                to thank you, I guess we won a “strong” contributor to
                policy discussions! (I recall your name from previous
                discussions, but you’re now more active, which is what I
                wish from every one). </span></p>
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    <div>:-D ...please don't expose me too much Jordi ;-)</div>
    <div>I'm just trying to do my best...i'm not any kind of expert :'-(</div>
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                below, in-line.</span></p>
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                style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">Saludos,</span></p>
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                style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">Jordi</span></p>
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                style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">@jordipalet</span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">El 20/6/19
                22:37, "Sylvain BAYA" <<a
                  href="mailto:abscoco@gmail.com" target="_blank">abscoco@gmail.com</a>>
                escribió:</p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Hi all, </p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Please see,
              inline, below...</p>
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              Le jeudi 20 juin 2019, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <<a
                href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>
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                      style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">Hi Sylvain,</span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
                      style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">Sorry the
                      email was sent before I finished it …</span></p>
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                        style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Regards,</span></p>
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                        style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Jordi</span></p>
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                        style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">@jordipalet</span></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">El
                        20/6/19 15:05, "Sylvain BAYA" <<a
                          href="mailto:abscoco@gmail.com"
                          target="_blank">abscoco@gmail.com</a>>
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                  <p style="margin-left:70.8pt">Hi all,</p>
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                    Le jeudi 20 juin 2019, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD
                    <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>
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                        lang="EN-US">As said, this text is redundant
                        (see specific text below my signature), but I
                        don't mind to have explicit text if this
                        facilitate the community to reach consensus.<br>
                        <br>
                        Here is my proposal, again, please comment about
                        this ASAP, so we can submit a new version
                        already, instead of waiting to be closer to the
                        next meeting. This way we can ensure that we get
                        on time the staff impact analysis, in case
                        something else need to be amended.<br>
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                        "The Inter-RIR transfers will be automatically
                        suspended in case the balance between IPv4
                        out-going and in-coming addresses becomes
                        cero." </span></p>
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                        lang="EN-US">Jordi,</span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span
                        lang="EN-US">...typos on “zero” ?</span></p>
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                        lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
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                        style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">Yeah … my
                        spelling checker often confuses English and
                        Spanish!</span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
                        style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">Anyway,
                        here is a better version, because this balance
                        is actually “cero” at the start of the
                        implementation, so the text may be misleading,
                        we need to define . </span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Alright !</p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">I like the
                new visage of this policy proposal because i really
                appreciate the way you are leading the discussions
                around it. </p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"
                  lang="EN-US">Believe me, that I always try to heard
                  everybody position and accommodate as much as
                  possible, my own thinking/knowledge and the text to
                  that (or convincing other if I believe they have a
                  wrong vision). This is the way to reach consensus. </span></p>
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    <div>Go ahead on this way ! i declare my support for such an
      approach, because i'm personaly sharing a similar approach.</div>
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    <div>Hopefully other participants will also share it.</div>
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              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">While
                contributing to this thread, what i want is to be sure
                that this policy proposal could be really beneficial to
                AFRINIC region|community.</p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"
                  lang="EN-US">Same as me, again, the right thing to do.</span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
                      lang="EN-US">“The Inter-RIR transfers will only be
                      enabled once AFRINIC enter into Exhaustion Phase 2
                      (5.4.3.2). The Inter-RIR transfers will be
                      automatically suspended in case the number of
                      out-going IPv4 addresses exceeds the in-coming
                      ones by six consecutive months.”</span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">This
                version is a good starting point. Thanks.</p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">I
                understand it like this :</p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">* This
                Policy Validity Starting Point : Exhaustion Phase 2</p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">* Initial
                point : balance of zero (nothing in|out)</p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">* First
                auto-stop point : when the in/out balance becomes down</p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">..* After
                06 consecutive months {seems to be not interesting for
                me}</p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">..* Even
                02 consecutive months is not really interesting, because
                we miss an #x amount (or %) of resource (IPv4) limit to
                not reach at any time (without any mention of #y
                consecutive months) to reduce an unwilling risk. </p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">This
                policy shall be able, maybe, to stop a transaction (in
                course) which could conduct us out of a specific low
                acceptable in/out balance. So think about it again
                please.</p>
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                  lang="EN-US">This is not possible, I believe, unless
                  someone discovers a “magic way to write it down”
                  (which I can’t see now). Anyway, I’m still trying to
                  think something before ending this email … </span></p>
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    <div>...quite difficult for sure :-)</div>
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    <div>It's simply confirming us that to reach the *goal* of this (and
      other) policy proposal, we need to think deeply on details. Other
      meaning : we need more active volunteers|participants engaged with
      sincere contributions.</div>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"
                  lang="EN-US">I’ve not personally been involved in
                  transfers, but I understand the process and transfers
                  don’t happen “in the second”. There are documents to
                  review, justification to be reviewed by the two RIRs,
                  contracts to be signed, payments to be done (via an
                  escrow), etc. It is a matter of several days or
                  weeks. </span></p>
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    <div>Thanks for these clarifications.</div>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"
                  lang="EN-US">It may happen that in the middle of a
                  month, several “negotiations” for transfers are
                  running, and some of them in one or the other
                  direction may reach or not in time for the end of that
                  month. That’s why I’m suggesting a number of months. </span></p>
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    <div>...to my knowledge, to better text this situation (and reach
      the *goal*) we must considere that the transfer is started when
      the parties have sent a request to the staff. </div>
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    <div>What we can also do is to add a new section with advices for
      those who will need to start a inter RIR transfer procedure. On
      that section, we shall explain why they must not take more than
      one (?), two or three months to complete the pre-process (b2b
      negociations). They shall know and understand the risk to come too
      late to the staff to request a transfer ; because the negociation
      phase took too much time... :-/</div>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt">If the
                  staff tries to evaluate the transfers at a single
                  point in time, it may be misleading as some operations
                  in the opposite direction may be being processed. The
                  RIRs may have an “alert” of a possible transfer,
                  depending on the direction, I don’t know if the
                  exiting coordination systems allow them to check those
                  (this will sort out the problem), but still will not
                  be precise, as some other folks may be “negotiating” a
                  transfer and have not yet informed the relevant RIRs
                  until the parties agree.</span></p>
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    <div>Ok, we need a clarification from the staff. But before that, i
      propose something below to address the problem...</div>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt">If we
                  stop the policy immediately the balance becomes “bad”
                  for AFRINIC, then a transfer in the other direction
                  will not be able to happen. You see the point.</span></p>
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    <div>Ok you are right ! But let me try other possibility|solution i
      see : are we still prioritising incoming transfers ? :-)</div>
    <div>To be sure, i think we can include a similar (to the following)
      text (about transfer procedure) : </div>
    <div><br>
    </div>
    <div>“Initiators of a transfer must start the procedure earlier by
      submitting their request. The transfer procedure is concluded
      after a cycle of $four months, devided in two periods of $two
      months for each. Initiators submit their case to the staff and
      wait for the staff to give their conclusion at least $two months
      after the "submissions period" and not more than $four months
      (including the "verification period"). The staff will collect the
      cases (submissions|requests) during the "submissions period". The
      staff can start to study the cases immediately, after receiving
      them, until the end of the "verification period" which is
      coinciding with the next "submission period"; while collecting
      other cases. Those in line with the CPM (policy compliant) at the
      end of the correspondent "verification period". The staff should
      focus to the goal : keep the in/out balance exceding. Incoming
      transfer submissions shall be prioritised and treated separately.”</div>
    <div><br>
    </div>
    <div>With this bit of text, i'm trying to solve a problem you raised
      above.</div>
    <div><br>
    </div>
    <div>It does, at least, the following : </div>
    <div>* To change the approach in considering that </div>
    <div>* We can considerably diminish the risk by allowing the staff
      to study the transfer submissions (cases) during the same
      dedicated "verifications period" (even just during $one month if
      possible) and <br>
    </div>
    <div>* Inform all the requestors only after the "verifications
      period" <br>
    </div>
    <div>* With the *goal* balance in mind :-)</div>
    <div>* Special treathment for incoming transfers ;-)</div>
    <div>* A cycle of four months within two equal periods for
      submissions and verifications  <br>
    </div>
    <div>* More control of the balance </div>
    <div>* Focus : *goal* balance</div>
    <div>* ...<br>
    </div>
    <div> </div>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"
                  lang="EN-US">We need to “take a bit of risk”,
                  considering that the real risk, looking at the numbers
                  I’ve presented is really low. </span></p>
            </div>
          </div>
        </div>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    <div><br>
    </div>
    <div>I agree, but just a *bit of risk* :-)</div>
    <div><br>
    </div>
    <div>I wasn't able to follow your first presentation during the PPM
      (Public Policy Meeting), just the Hijacking one. Please share the
      slides of all your policy proposal presentations.</div>
    <div> </div>
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          <div>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"
                  lang="EN-US">Remember that “nobody” from AFRINIC is
                  forced to sell. Who will sell? Those that for example,
                  reduce or close the business, or those that deploy
                  IPv6, etc.</span></p>
            </div>
          </div>
        </div>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    <div><br>
    </div>
    <div> Ok it walk samely for incoming and outgoing transfers.
      Considering that we have a seller and a buyer on both side
      transfers.</div>
    <div><br>
    </div>
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        <div>
          <div>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt">Who will
                  buy? Those that go to AFRINIC, ask for more, can’t get
                  all what they need, and try to get the rest of their
                  needs via transfers.</span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"
                  lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"
                  lang="EN-US">What is the logic here? Why ARIN is the
                  major donator to all the other RIRs?</span></p>
            </div>
          </div>
        </div>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    <div><br>
    </div>
    <div>...to what i recall [1] they still have too much unused IPv4
      addresses.<br>
    </div>
    <div> </div>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"
                  lang="EN-US">If we don’t take a risk, we lose.</span></p>
            </div>
          </div>
        </div>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    <div><br>
    </div>
    <div>...i'm ok with that, but let's try to find the lowest risk :-)</div>
    <div> </div>
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        <div>
          <div>
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                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
                    style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">This means
                    that if one month there are “more addresses going
                    out”, it happens again the next month, and it
                    happens again by a third month and so on, then is
                    suspended.</span></p>
              </div>
            </blockquote>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"> </p>
            </div>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">...so
                monthly public reports should be needed (for the
                community to follow-up and for more transparency) ?</p>
            </div>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"> </p>
            </div>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">If yes,
                let's clearly state|text it also.</p>
            </div>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"> </p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"
                  lang="EN-US">I believe there is already a public
                  AFRINIC reporting of the Inter-RIR transfers, so we
                  will see this reported ASAP any transfer is completed
                  I think.</span></p>
            </div>
          </div>
        </div>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    <div><br>
    </div>
    <div>Can someone share an uri ?</div>
    <div>I think we must insert this requirement to the relevant section
      of the CPM, if not existent.</div>
    <div> </div>
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          <div>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"
                  lang="EN-US">If this is not the case (can please the
                  staff confirm?), I fully agree (for both Inter and
                  Intra-RIR) and will add a specific text so they are
                  reported, not just monthly, but with each completed
                  transfer.</span></p>
            </div>
          </div>
        </div>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    <div><br>
    </div>
    <div>You are welcome ! Thanks :-)</div>
    <div> </div>
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        <div>
          <div>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"
                  lang="EN-US">Which this web page, any member, the
                  board, etc., can tell the staff at any point, if they
                  don’t realize by themselves, “hey what is going on
                  here? Are we good with the transfers?”.</span></p>
            </div>
          </div>
        </div>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    <div><br>
    </div>
    <div>Yes, transparency and more power to the community ;-)</div>
    <div> </div>
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        <div>
          <div>
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                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
                      style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">I’ve also
                      added a condition to make sure that this policy
                      only starts once we are in the next exhaustion
                      phase.</span></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
                      style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span
                      lang="EN-US">So, you shall consider that, if
                      AFRINIC service|community doesn't gain anything in
                      the balance this policy should not be needed...</span></p>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span
                      lang="EN-US">And that should be clearly stated.</span></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
                      lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
                      lang="EN-US">I agree with that, but I don’t think
                      we need to put that in the policy text, this
                      should be in the text of the policy justification.</span></p>
                </div>
              </div>
            </blockquote>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"> </p>
            </div>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">...wasn't
                the point here. Apologize but English is not my first
                tongue. </p>
            </div>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"> </p>
            </div>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">What i was
                (trying) advising|suggesting is to ensure to text it the
                clearest possible ; in order to remove any ambiguity. </p>
            </div>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">I'm glad
                that you have seen, by yourself, that there was a
                problem with the first zero state.</p>
            </div>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"> </p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"
                  lang="EN-US">Got it, thanks! And nothing to excuse!</span></p>
            </div>
            <blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc
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              <div>
                <blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc
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                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span
                      lang="EN-US">Note that in order to make it
                      simpler, I've used a text that instead of talking
                      about %, is stating that the balance of in/out is
                      reached. This way we ensure that the total number
                      of the "region IPv4 addresses" never can go down
                      regarding the actual figures, so Africa never will
                      lose addresses. Do you think this is good enough?</span></p>
                </blockquote>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span
                      lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span
                      lang="EN-US">Ok after policing this, it seems to
                      be necessary to clearly state, *“policily”*, that
                      the staff must follow-up (automatically) the
                      in/out balance, with regular (automated) public
                      reports and a special (auto) stop report (for the
                      zero state).</span></p>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span
                      lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span
                      lang="EN-US">I'm not sure how to "policy-ze" this
                      idea. Perhaps with a separate policy ?</span></p>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
                      lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
                      lang="EN-US">I’m not completely sure to understand
                      100% what you mean, but let me try anyway: Staff
                      is mandated to follow the policies. So, during the
                      implementation the staff will make the necessary
                      provisions so they get an alarm when the balance
                      of in-coming vs out-going addresses becomes cero.
                      It may be done automatically anyway, but at least
                      they should get an “alarm”. The operational
                      details about “how” to implement this are outside
                      of the policy scope.</span></p>
                </div>
              </div>
            </blockquote>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"> </p>
            </div>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Ok i am in
                accord with the logic of separation between policy rules
                and their operational implementations. I don't want us
                to “policy-ze” the implementation phase of any policy
                :-)</p>
            </div>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"> </p>
            </div>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">But you
                probably miss something in my above suggestion. </p>
            </div>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"> </p>
            </div>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">The point
                is that, if you don't clearly ask, via a policy, for a
                regular (public) report (for example) from the staff,
                you could not be sure to get it when it shall be needed.
                Because, without a specific policy provision, it will be
                just out of their duties...</p>
            </div>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"> </p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"
                  lang="EN-US">Let’s try it again, based on all the
                  discussion (the numbers are just to split the text
                  now, they will be correctly placed in the relevant
                  part of the policy proposal when we “reach consensus”
                  about this text:</span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"
                  lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
              <div style="border-top:dotted windowtext
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                <ol start="1" type="1">
                  <li style="border:none;padding:0cm"><span lang="EN-US">Each
                      time a transfer is completed, the relevant,
                      non-confidential information will be automatically
                      published in a specific web page, including at
                      least: Date of the transfer, transferred
                      addresses, source organization and RIR,
                      destination organization and RIR.</span></li>
                  <li style="border:none;padding:0cm"><span lang="EN-US">The
                      Inter-RIR transfers will only be enabled once
                      AFRINIC enter into Exhaustion Phase 2 (5.4.3.2).</span></li>
                  <li style="border:none;padding:0cm"><span lang="EN-US">The
                      Inter-RIR transfers will be automatically
                      suspended in case the number of outgoing IPv4
                      addresses exceeds the incoming ones by six
                      consecutive months.</span></li>
                  <li style="border:none;padding:0cm"><span lang="EN-US">The
                      staff can provisionally suspend any suspicious
                      operation that creates a big unbalance against
                      AFRINIC, until the board takes a decision.</span></li>
                </ol>
              </div>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">See point 4. If
                  there is any suspicious unbalance, the suspension
                  temporary suspension of *<b>that</b>* operation
                  protects our pool of addresses, for a few days (I
                  guess the board in that case should call for a
                  decision by email or by conference call), and
                  meanwhile, it can be observed if other “incoming”
                  operations will restore the balance.</span></p>
            </div>
          </div>
        </div>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    <div><br>
    </div>
    <div>Possible solution, thanks for the effort you produced above.
      But there is still more than acceptable risk on it (including
      point 4) ; because the next new transfer request can come after
      the *few* days of suspension.</div>
    <div><br>
    </div>
    <div>Please look how to also consider the alternative solution i
      have proposed above. I don't need you to keep that text as it is,
      but to use it to figure how it could be merged with yours and
      reduce the risk (no suspension with it).</div>
    <div>__</div>
    <div>[1]: MIT and their 8 million IPv4 addresses – <a
href="https://www.techspot.com/news/69055-mit-unload-8-million-ipv4-addresses-fund-ipv6.html"
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    <div>Friendly,</div>
    <div>--sb.<br>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I really believe
                  this is not needed, it can be done applying the bylaws
                  (very recently ARIN board suspended in emergency a
                  policy, so it is a good demonstration that this works
                  even if is not in the policy) but I’m happy to keep
                  this text if this means that we are more unconcerned
                  this way.</span></p>
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                  lang="EN-US">What do you think? <br>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"
                  lang="EN-US">Thanks!</span></p>
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