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--></style></head><body lang=ES link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Hi Sylvain,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Sorry the email was sent before I finished it …<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Responding below, in-line.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Jordi<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>@jordipalet<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>El 20/6/19 15:05, "Sylvain BAYA" <<a href="mailto:abscoco@gmail.com">abscoco@gmail.com</a>> escribió:</p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Hi all,</p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><br>Le jeudi 20 juin 2019, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> a écrit :</p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US>As said, this text is redundant (see specific text below my signature), but I don't mind to have explicit text if this facilitate the community to reach consensus.<br><br>Here is my proposal, again, please comment about this ASAP, so we can submit a new version already, instead of waiting to be closer to the next meeting. This way we can ensure that we get on time the staff impact analysis, in case something else need to be amended.<br><br>"The Inter-RIR transfers will be automatically suspended in case the balance between IPv4 out-going and in-coming addresses becomes cero." <o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US>Jordi,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US>...typos on “zero” ?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>Yeah … my spelling checker often confuses English and Spanish!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>Anyway, here is a better version, because this balance is actually “cero” at the start of the implementation, so the text may be misleading, we need to define .<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>“The Inter-RIR transfers will only be enabled once AFRINIC enter into Exhaustion Phase 2 (5.4.3.2). The Inter-RIR transfers will be automatically suspended in case the number of out-going IPv4 addresses exceeds the in-coming ones by six consecutive months.”<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>This means that if one month there are “more addresses going out”, it happens again the next month, and it happens again by a third month and so on, then is suspended.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>I’ve also added a condition to make sure that this policy only starts once we are in the next exhaustion phase.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US>So, you shall consider that, if AFRINIC service|community doesn't gain anything in the balance this policy should not be needed...<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US>And that should be clearly stated.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>I agree with that, but I don’t think we need to put that in the policy text, this should be in the text of the policy justification.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US>Note that in order to make it simpler, I've used a text that instead of talking about %, is stating that the balance of in/out is reached. This way we ensure that the total number of the "region IPv4 addresses" never can go down regarding the actual figures, so Africa never will lose addresses. Do you think this is good enough?<o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US>Ok after policing this, it seems to be necessary to clearly state, *“policily”*, that the staff must follow-up (automatically) the in/out balance, with regular (automated) public reports and a special (auto) stop report (for the zero state).<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US>I'm not sure how to "policy-ze" this idea. Perhaps with a separate policy ?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>I’m not completely sure to understand 100% what you mean, but let me try anyway: Staff is mandated to follow the policies. So, during the implementation the staff will make the necessary provisions so they get an alarm when the balance of in-coming vs out-going addresses becomes cero. It may be done automatically anyway, but at least they should get an “alarm”. The operational details about “how” to implement this are outside of the policy scope.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US>Friendly,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US>--sb.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US>Regards,<br>Jordi<br>@jordipalet<br><br>Bylaws Article 11.4:<br>11.4 Notwithstanding, the provisions of Article 11.2 the Board may adopt such policies regarding the management of internet number resources where it considers that the same is necessary and urgent, having regard to the proper and responsible usage of these resources.<br><br><br><br><br></span><span lang=EN-US>El 20/6/19 9:15, "Ish Sookun" <</span><a href="mailto:ish.sookun@lasentinelle.mu"><span lang=EN-US>ish.sookun@lasentinelle.mu</span></a><span lang=EN-US>> escribió:<br><br> [...]<br>**********************************************<br>IPv4 is over<br>Are you ready for the new Internet ?<br></span><a href="http://www.theipv6company.com" target="_blank"><span lang=EN-US>http://www.theipv6company.com</span></a><span lang=EN-US><br>The IPv6 Company<br>[...] <o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US>-- <o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US>Sylvain B.<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'><a href="http://www.chretiennement.org"><span lang=EN-US><http://www.chretiennement.org></span></a> <span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US>__<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US>Website : </span><a href="https://www.cmnog.cm"><span lang=EN-US><https://www.cmnog.cm></span></a><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US>Wiki : </span><a href="https://www.cmnog.cm/dokuwiki"><span lang=EN-US><https://www.cmnog.cm/dokuwiki></span></a><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US>Surveys : </span><a href="https://survey.cmnog.cm"><span lang=EN-US><https://survey.cmnog.cm></span></a><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US>Subscribe to Mailing List : </span><a href="https://lists.cmnog.cm/mailman/listinfo/cmnog/"><span lang=EN-US><https://lists.cmnog.cm/mailman/listinfo/cmnog/></span></a><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US>Mailing List's Archives : </span><a href="https://lists.cmnog.cm/pipermail/cmnog/"><span lang=EN-US><https://lists.cmnog.cm/pipermail/cmnog/></span></a><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US>Last Event's Feed : </span><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/cmNOGlab3"><span lang=EN-US><https://twitter.com/hashtag/cmNOGlab3></span></a><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'><a href="https://twitter.com/cmN0G"><span lang=EN-US><https://twitter.com/cmN0G></span></a><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'><a href="https://facebook.com/cmNOG"><span lang=EN-US><https://facebook.com/cmNOG></span></a><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/REBOOTcmNOG"><span lang=EN-US><https://twitter.com/hashtag/REBOOTcmNOG></span></a><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/cmNOG"><span lang=EN-US><https://twitter.com/hashtag/cmNOG></span></a><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'><a href="https://cmnog.wordpress.com/"><span lang=EN-US><https://cmnog.wordpress.com/></span></a><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></pre><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US>_______________________________________________ RPD mailing list RPD@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><br>**********************************************<br>
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