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    Hi all,
    <div>Please see, inline, below...</div>
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      Le jeudi 20 juin 2019, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <<a
        href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"
                lang="EN-US">Hi Sylvain,</span></p>
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                lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"
                lang="EN-US">Sorry the email was sent before I finished
                it …</span></p>
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                  style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">Responding
                  below, in-line.</span></p>
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                  style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Regards,</span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
                  style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Jordi</span></p>
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                  style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">@jordipalet</span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">El
                  20/6/19 15:05, "Sylvain BAYA" <<a
                    href="mailto:abscoco@gmail.com" target="_blank">abscoco@gmail.com</a>>
                  escribió:</p>
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            <p style="margin-left:35.4pt">Hi all,</p>
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              Le jeudi 20 juin 2019, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <<a
                href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>
              a écrit :</p>
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                  lang="EN-US">As said, this text is redundant (see
                  specific text below my signature), but I don't mind to
                  have explicit text if this facilitate the community to
                  reach consensus.<br>
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                  Here is my proposal, again, please comment about this
                  ASAP, so we can submit a new version already, instead
                  of waiting to be closer to the next meeting. This way
                  we can ensure that we get on time the staff impact
                  analysis, in case something else need to be amended.<br>
                  <br>
                  "The Inter-RIR transfers will be automatically
                  suspended in case the balance between IPv4 out-going
                  and in-coming addresses becomes cero." </span></p>
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                  lang="EN-US">Jordi,</span></p>
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                  lang="EN-US">...typos on “zero” ?</span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"
                  lang="EN-US">Yeah … my spelling checker often confuses
                  English and Spanish!</span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"
                  lang="EN-US">Anyway, here is a better version, because
                  this balance is actually “cero” at the start of the
                  implementation, so the text may be misleading, we need
                  to define . </span></p>
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      <div>Alright !</div>
      <div>I like the new visage of this policy proposal because i
        really appreciate the way you are leading the discussions around
        it. </div>
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      <div>While contributing to this thread, what i want is to be sure
        that this policy proposal could be really beneficial to AFRINIC
        region|community.</div>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">“The Inter-RIR
                transfers will only be enabled once AFRINIC enter into
                Exhaustion Phase 2 (5.4.3.2). The Inter-RIR transfers
                will be automatically suspended in case the number of
                out-going IPv4 addresses exceeds the in-coming ones by
                six consecutive months.”</span></p>
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      <div>This version is a good starting point. Thanks.</div>
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      <div>I understand it like this :</div>
      <div>* This Policy Validity Starting Point : Exhaustion Phase 2</div>
      <div>* Initial point : balance of zero (nothing in|out)</div>
      <div>* First auto-stop point : when the in/out balance becomes
        down</div>
      <div>..* After 06 consecutive months {seems to be not interesting
        for me}</div>
      <div>..* Even 02 consecutive months is not really interesting,
        because we miss an #x amount (or %) of resource (IPv4) limit to
        not reach at any time (without any mention of #y consecutive
        months) to reduce an unwilling risk. </div>
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      <div>This policy shall be able, maybe, to stop a transaction (in
        course) which could conduct us out of a specific low acceptable
        in/out balance. So think about it again please.</div>
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              lang="EN-US">This means that if one month there are “more
              addresses going out”, it happens again the next month, and
              it happens again by a third month and so on, then is
              suspended.</span></p>
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      <div>...so monthly public reports should be needed (for the
        community to follow-up and for more transparency) ?</div>
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      <div>If yes, let's clearly state|text it also.</div>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"
                lang="EN-US">I’ve also added a condition to make sure
                that this policy only starts once we are in the next
                exhaustion phase.</span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
                lang="EN-US">So, you shall consider that, if AFRINIC
                service|community doesn't gain anything in the balance
                this policy should not be needed...</span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
                lang="EN-US">And that should be clearly stated.</span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I agree with that,
                but I don’t think we need to put that in the policy
                text, this should be in the text of the policy
                justification.</span></p>
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      <div>...wasn't the point here. Apologize but English is not my
        first tongue. </div>
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      <div>What i was (trying) advising|suggesting is to ensure to text
        it the clearest possible ; in order to remove any ambiguity. <br>
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      <div>I'm glad that you have seen, by yourself, that there was a
        problem with the first zero state.</div>
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                lang="EN-US">Note that in order to make it simpler, I've
                used a text that instead of talking about %, is stating
                that the balance of in/out is reached. This way we
                ensure that the total number of the "region IPv4
                addresses" never can go down regarding the actual
                figures, so Africa never will lose addresses. Do you
                think this is good enough?</span></p>
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                lang="EN-US">Ok after policing this, it seems to be
                necessary to clearly state, *“policily”*, that the staff
                must follow-up (automatically) the in/out balance, with
                regular (automated) public reports and a special (auto)
                stop report (for the zero state).</span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
                lang="EN-US">I'm not sure how to "policy-ze" this idea.
                Perhaps with a separate policy ?</span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I’m not completely
                sure to understand 100% what you mean, but let me try
                anyway: Staff is mandated to follow the policies. So,
                during the implementation the staff will make the
                necessary provisions so they get an alarm when the
                balance of in-coming vs out-going addresses becomes
                cero. It may be done automatically anyway, but at least
                they should get an “alarm”. The operational details
                about “how” to implement this are outside of the policy
                scope.</span></p>
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      <div>Ok i am in accord with the logic of separation between policy
        rules and their operational implementations. I don't want us to
        “policy-ze” the implementation phase of any policy :-)</div>
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      <div>But you probably miss something in my above suggestion. </div>
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      <div>The point is that, if you don't clearly ask, via a policy,
        for a regular (public) report (for example) from the staff, you
        could not be sure to get it when it shall be needed. Because,
        without a specific policy provision, it will be just out of
        their duties...</div>
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      <div>Hope this clarifies.</div>
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      <div>Friendly,</div>
      <div>--sb.</div>
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                  lang="EN-US">--sb.</span></p>
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