<div dir="ltr"><div>Dear All,<br></div><div>Daniel tell me a country that has gone to war that is better off today if you are not making friends. Is it Libya or Egypt or Sudan or even Iran or Iraq?</div><div><br></div><div>Hussein<br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 10:38 AM <<a href="mailto:rpd-request@afrinic.net">rpd-request@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Send RPD mailing list submissions to<br> <a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a><br>
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<br>Message: 1<br>Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 12:37:04 +0300<br>From: Frank Habicht <<a href="mailto:geier@geier.ne.tz" target="_blank">geier@geier.ne.tz</a>><br>To: <a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a><br>Subject: Re: [rpd] IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer<br>Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:ecea0c06-0604-b462-939f-de98935e35e0@geier.ne.tz" target="_blank">ecea0c06-0604-b462-939f-de98935e35e0@geier.ne.tz</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8<br>
<br>I agree and support this policy.<br>
<br>Frank Habicht<br>
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<br>On 18/06/2019 12:23, Emem William wrote:<br>> Dear all,?<br>> Jordie and Mark has giving all the points. There is no need for me to<br>> repeat them.?<br>> Afrinic is the only region left out cos we are sometimes slow.<br>> I totally agree with this policy and I believe it should get approved<br>> here in Uganda.<br>> Thanks<br>> <br>> On Tue, Jun 18, 2019, 09:49 <<a href="mailto:rpd-request@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd-request@afrinic.net</a><br>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:rpd-request@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd-request@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<br>> <br>> Send RPD mailing list submissions to<br>> ? ? ? ? <a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br>> <br>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br>> ? ? ? ? <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a><br>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br>> ? ? ? ? <a href="mailto:rpd-request@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd-request@afrinic.net</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:rpd-request@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd-request@afrinic.net</a>><br>> <br>> You can reach the person managing the list at<br>> ? ? ? ? <a href="mailto:rpd-owner@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd-owner@afrinic.net</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:rpd-owner@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd-owner@afrinic.net</a>><br>> <br>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>> than "Re: Contents of RPD digest..."<br>> <br>> <br>> Today's Topics:<br>> <br>> ? ?1. Re: inputs on IPv4 Inter-RIR policy proposals - AFRINIC needs<br>> ? ? ? this policy now! (Pascal ANDRIANISA)<br>> ? ?2. Re: IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer. (aleruchi chuku)<br>> ? ?3. Re: IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer. (Kris Seeburn)<br>> ? ?4. Re: IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer<br>> ? ? ? (Hussein Olanrewaju AKANDE)<br>> <br>> <br>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------<br>> <br>> Message: 1<br>> Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 10:48:06 +0300 (EAT)<br>> From: Pascal ANDRIANISA <<a href="mailto:pascal@irenala.edu.mg" target="_blank">pascal@irenala.edu.mg</a><br>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:pascal@irenala.edu.mg" target="_blank">pascal@irenala.edu.mg</a>>><br>> To: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <<a href="mailto:jordi.palet@consulintel.es" target="_blank">jordi.palet@consulintel.es</a><br>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:jordi.palet@consulintel.es" target="_blank">jordi.palet@consulintel.es</a>>><br>> Cc: rpd <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>><br>> Subject: Re: [rpd] inputs on IPv4 Inter-RIR policy proposals - AFRINIC<br>> ? ? ? ? needs this policy now!<br>> Message-ID:<br>> ? ? ? ?<br>> <<a href="mailto:2084202978.190352.1560844086975.JavaMail.zimbra@irenala.edu.mg" target="_blank">2084202978.190352.1560844086975.JavaMail.zimbra@irenala.edu.mg</a><br>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:2084202978.190352.1560844086975.JavaMail.zimbra@irenala.edu.mg" target="_blank">2084202978.190352.1560844086975.JavaMail.zimbra@irenala.edu.mg</a>>><br>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8<br>> <br>> Hi Jordi,<br>> I read the policy proposal for IPV4 Inter-RIR Transfert.? ?<br>> The article =><br>> <a href="https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2019-v4-002-d1#proposal" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2019-v4-002-d1#proposal</a><br>> ? I think this is not the benefit of AFRINIC as resources are<br>> currently insufficient for AFRINIC.<br>> Otherwise it is necessary to balance the transfers between RIR<br>> because at least the number of resources is limited to sending to<br>> other RIRs.<br>> <br>> I do not support this policy for this reason, The AFRINIC's<br>> resources are not enough for AFRICA, why transfer them elsewhere ....<br>> <br>> Pascal Heriliva ANDRIANISA<br>> Webmaster i RENALA<br>> R esearch and E ducation N etwork for A cademic and L earning A<br>> ctivities - [ <a href="http://www.irenala.edu.mg/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.irenala.edu.mg/</a> | <a href="http://www.irenala.edu.mg/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.irenala.edu.mg/</a> ]<br>> Porte 201 - Minist?re de l'Enseignement Sup?rieur et de la Recherche<br>> Scientifique - Fiadanana<br>> GSM :+261 (0) 32 46 680 29 | +261 (0) 34 30 680 29<br>> <br>> ----- Mail original -----<br>> De: "rpd" <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>><br>> ?: "rpd" <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>><br>> Envoy?: Samedi 15 Juin 2019 13:23:23<br>> Objet: [rpd] inputs on IPv4 Inter-RIR policy proposals - AFRINIC<br>> needs this policy now!<br>> <br>> Hi all,<br>> <br>> I wonder if anyone has inputs on the policy proposals for IPv4<br>> Inter-RIR transfers.<br>> <br>> <a href="https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2019-v4-001-d1" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2019-v4-001-d1</a><br>> <br>> and<br>> <br>> <a href="https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2019-v4-002-d1" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2019-v4-002-d1</a><br>> <br>> I will be presenting both of them together on Wednesday 19th. If<br>> you're not in Kampala, make sure to participate remotely<br>> (<a href="https://www.internetsummit.africa/en/participate-remotely" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.internetsummit.africa/en/participate-remotely</a>), so we<br>> can resolve any doubts on the spot.<br>> <br>> This is a key issue for AFRINIC, which now is the *only* RIR not<br>> allowing those transfers.<br>> <br>> AFRINIC is soon (probably around end of this year) entering in<br>> exhaustion phase 2, so it will become more and more difficult to<br>> obtain IPv4. If transfers from other regions aren't allowed, this<br>> will be an added difficulty for the Internet growth in the region,<br>> and increase the difficulties for the continued IPv6 deployment.<br>> <br>> The region needs this policy *now*, because the implementation<br>> requires several months as there is a need to coordinate with the<br>> systems of the other RIRs, in order to ensure a transparent<br>> transfers process.<br>> <br>> So, what is your opinion?<br>> <br>> Regards,<br>> Jordi<br>> @jordipalet<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> **********************************************<br>> IPv4 is over<br>> Are you ready for the new Internet ?<br>> <a href="http://www.theipv6company.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.theipv6company.com</a><br>> The IPv6 Company<br>> <br>> This electronic message contains information which may be privileged<br>> or confidential. The information is intended to be for the exclusive<br>> use of the individual(s) named above and further non-explicilty<br>> authorized disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents<br>> of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is<br>> strictly prohibited and will be considered a criminal offense. If<br>> you are not the intended recipient be aware that any disclosure,<br>> copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information,<br>> even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited,<br>> will be considered a criminal offense, so you must reply to the<br>> original sender to inform about this communication and delete it.<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> _______________________________________________<br>> RPD mailing list<br>> <a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net" target="_blank">RPD@afrinic.net</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net" target="_blank">RPD@afrinic.net</a>><br>> <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a><br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> ------------------------------<br>> <br>> Message: 2<br>> Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 08:41:32 +0000 (UTC)<br>> From: aleruchi chuku <<a href="mailto:aleruchichuku@yahoo.com" target="_blank">aleruchichuku@yahoo.com</a><br>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:aleruchichuku@yahoo.com" target="_blank">aleruchichuku@yahoo.com</a>>><br>> To: "<a href="mailto:pascal@irenala.edu.mg" target="_blank">pascal@irenala.edu.mg</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:pascal@irenala.edu.mg" target="_blank">pascal@irenala.edu.mg</a>>"<br>> <<a href="mailto:pascal@irenala.edu.mg" target="_blank">pascal@irenala.edu.mg</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:pascal@irenala.edu.mg" target="_blank">pascal@irenala.edu.mg</a>>>,? ishola kabir<br>> ? ? ? ? <<a href="mailto:isholakabir@gmail.com" target="_blank">isholakabir@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:isholakabir@gmail.com" target="_blank">isholakabir@gmail.com</a>>><br>> Cc: "<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>" <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a><br>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>><br>> Subject: Re: [rpd] IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer.<br>> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:820859170.2990967.1560847292489@mail.yahoo.com" target="_blank">820859170.2990967.1560847292489@mail.yahoo.com</a><br>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:820859170.2990967.1560847292489@mail.yahoo.com" target="_blank">820859170.2990967.1560847292489@mail.yahoo.com</a>>><br>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br>> <br>> If the IPV4 is not enough for the region, then there will be nothing<br>> to transfere....would there?<br>> But where it is available and as we all know gradually becoming<br>> "old" in our region, then perhaps it is truly to our benefit to be<br>> able to transfere this resource to other regions as well as recieve<br>> from them.<br>> Aleruchi<br>> <br>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android<br>> <br>> ? On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 at 9:07 am, Pascal<br>> ANDRIANISA<<a href="mailto:pascal@irenala.edu.mg" target="_blank">pascal@irenala.edu.mg</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:pascal@irenala.edu.mg" target="_blank">pascal@irenala.edu.mg</a>>><br>> wrote:? ?_______________________________________________<br>> RPD mailing list<br>> <a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net" target="_blank">RPD@afrinic.net</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net" target="_blank">RPD@afrinic.net</a>><br>> <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a><br>> <br>> -------------- next part --------------<br>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>> URL:<br>> <<a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/attachments/20190618/62b669f5/attachment-0001.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/attachments/20190618/62b669f5/attachment-0001.html</a>><br>> <br>> ------------------------------<br>> <br>> Message: 3<br>> Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 12:44:56 +0400<br>> From: Kris Seeburn <<a href="mailto:seeburn.k@gmail.com" target="_blank">seeburn.k@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:seeburn.k@gmail.com" target="_blank">seeburn.k@gmail.com</a>>><br>> To: "<a href="mailto:aleruchichuku@yahoo.com" target="_blank">aleruchichuku@yahoo.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:aleruchichuku@yahoo.com" target="_blank">aleruchichuku@yahoo.com</a>>"<br>> <<a href="mailto:aleruchichuku@yahoo.com" target="_blank">aleruchichuku@yahoo.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:aleruchichuku@yahoo.com" target="_blank">aleruchichuku@yahoo.com</a>>><br>> Cc: "<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>" <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a><br>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>>, ishola kabir<br>> ? ? ? ? <<a href="mailto:isholakabir@gmail.com" target="_blank">isholakabir@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:isholakabir@gmail.com" target="_blank">isholakabir@gmail.com</a>>><br>> Subject: Re: [rpd] IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer.<br>> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:CFC03DF5-3CAE-492E-83F5-88BA46719F7D@gmail.com" target="_blank">CFC03DF5-3CAE-492E-83F5-88BA46719F7D@gmail.com</a><br>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:CFC03DF5-3CAE-492E-83F5-88BA46719F7D@gmail.com" target="_blank">CFC03DF5-3CAE-492E-83F5-88BA46719F7D@gmail.com</a>>><br>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<br>> <br>> That is a thought of sense. If we do that we equate and live another<br>> day as we say. Yes old it will be and pushing to be at par with<br>> others is the way through<br>> <br>> > On 18 Jun 2019, at 12:41, aleruchi chuku via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a><br>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>> wrote:<br>> ><br>> > If the IPV4 is not enough for the region, then there will be<br>> nothing to transfere....would there?<br>> ><br>> > But where it is available and as we all know gradually becoming<br>> "old" in our region, then perhaps it is truly to our benefit to be<br>> able to transfere this resource to other regions as well as recieve<br>> from them.<br>> ><br>> > Aleruchi<br>> ><br>> > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android<br>> <<a href="https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android</a>><br>> > On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 at 9:07 am, Pascal ANDRIANISA<br>> > <<a href="mailto:pascal@irenala.edu.mg" target="_blank">pascal@irenala.edu.mg</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:pascal@irenala.edu.mg" target="_blank">pascal@irenala.edu.mg</a>>> wrote:<br>> > _______________________________________________<br>> > RPD mailing list<br>> > <a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net" target="_blank">RPD@afrinic.net</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net" target="_blank">RPD@afrinic.net</a>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net" target="_blank">RPD@afrinic.net</a><br>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net" target="_blank">RPD@afrinic.net</a>>><br>> > <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a><br>> <<a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a>><br>> > _______________________________________________<br>> > RPD mailing list<br>> > <a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net" target="_blank">RPD@afrinic.net</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net" target="_blank">RPD@afrinic.net</a>><br>> > <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a><br>> <br>> -------------- next part --------------<br>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>> URL:<br>> <<a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/attachments/20190618/149ac107/attachment-0001.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/attachments/20190618/149ac107/attachment-0001.html</a>><br>> <br>> ------------------------------<br>> <br>> Message: 4<br>> Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 09:43:58 +0100<br>> From: Hussein Olanrewaju AKANDE <<a href="mailto:elsufi@unilorin.edu.ng" target="_blank">elsufi@unilorin.edu.ng</a><br>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:elsufi@unilorin.edu.ng" target="_blank">elsufi@unilorin.edu.ng</a>>><br>> To: Kris Seeburn <<a href="mailto:seeburn.k@gmail.com" target="_blank">seeburn.k@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:seeburn.k@gmail.com" target="_blank">seeburn.k@gmail.com</a>>><br>> Cc: "AfriNIC RPD MList." <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>><br>> Subject: Re: [rpd] IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer<br>> Message-ID:<br>> ? ? ? ?<br>> <CAEsR0rUKoKOH=ku-qHHo7ShWymOHzX_dE4r80DF=<a href="mailto:nqcP2ciFJQ@mail.gmail.com" target="_blank">nqcP2ciFJQ@mail.gmail.com</a><br>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:nqcP2ciFJQ@mail.gmail.com" target="_blank">nqcP2ciFJQ@mail.gmail.com</a>>><br>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br>> <br>> I agree with you perfectly.<br>> <br>> On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 9:05 AM Kris Seeburn <<a href="mailto:seeburn.k@gmail.com" target="_blank">seeburn.k@gmail.com</a><br>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:seeburn.k@gmail.com" target="_blank">seeburn.k@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>> <br>> > I?ll second and if not support that resources be used than kept in the<br>> > coffer. If the coffer generated some interest I would see no issue<br>> but our<br>> > existence is also trying to find a stability between all the RIRs and<br>> > resources needs to be used for continuous existence and sustainability<br>> ><br>> > On 18 Jun 2019, at 11:53, Hussein Olanrewaju AKANDE <<br>> > <a href="mailto:elsufi@unilorin.edu.ng" target="_blank">elsufi@unilorin.edu.ng</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:elsufi@unilorin.edu.ng" target="_blank">elsufi@unilorin.edu.ng</a>>> wrote:<br>> ><br>> > Dear All,<br>> > Thank you Mark Elkins for those wonderful points, I do not<br>> understand why<br>> > we should continue to keep the resources when they can easily be<br>> utilized.<br>> ><br>> > On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 8:21 AM <<a href="mailto:rpd-request@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd-request@afrinic.net</a><br>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:rpd-request@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd-request@afrinic.net</a>>> wrote:<br>> ><br>> >> Send RPD mailing list submissions to<br>> >>? ? ? ? ?<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br>> >><br>> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br>> >>? ? ? ? ?<a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a><br>> >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br>> >>? ? ? ? ?<a href="mailto:rpd-request@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd-request@afrinic.net</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:rpd-request@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd-request@afrinic.net</a>><br>> >><br>> >> You can reach the person managing the list at<br>> >>? ? ? ? ?<a href="mailto:rpd-owner@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd-owner@afrinic.net</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:rpd-owner@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd-owner@afrinic.net</a>><br>> >><br>> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>> >> than "Re: Contents of RPD digest..."<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> Today's Topics:<br>> >><br>> >>? ? 1. Re: Nomcom feedback to PDWG (Owen DeLong)<br>> >>? ? 2. Re: IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer. (Pascal<br>> ANDRIANISA)<br>> >>? ? 3. Re: IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer. (Mark Elkins)<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >><br>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------<br>> >><br>> >> Message: 1<br>> >> Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2019 23:19:55 +0300<br>> >> From: Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" target="_blank">owen@delong.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" target="_blank">owen@delong.com</a>>><br>> >> To: Ernest Byaruhanga <<a href="mailto:ernest@afrinic.net" target="_blank">ernest@afrinic.net</a><br>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:ernest@afrinic.net" target="_blank">ernest@afrinic.net</a>>><br>> >> Cc: 2019 NomCom <<a href="mailto:nomcom2019@afrinic.net" target="_blank">nomcom2019@afrinic.net</a><br>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:nomcom2019@afrinic.net" target="_blank">nomcom2019@afrinic.net</a>>>, <a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a><br>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br>> >> Subject: Re: [rpd] Nomcom feedback to PDWG<br>> >> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:F7C58339-1AD0-4729-95E3-3F1110B5C11B@delong.com" target="_blank">F7C58339-1AD0-4729-95E3-3F1110B5C11B@delong.com</a><br>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:F7C58339-1AD0-4729-95E3-3F1110B5C11B@delong.com" target="_blank">F7C58339-1AD0-4729-95E3-3F1110B5C11B@delong.com</a>>><br>> >> Content-Type: text/plain;? ? ? ?charset=utf-8<br>> >><br>> >> Ernest, as I understand the PDP and the bylaws, the only<br>> appropriate way<br>> >> to implement the output of that committee would be for the<br>> committee to<br>> >> write up one or more policy proposals to codify then into the PDP<br>> and have<br>> >> the community come to consensus on them.<br>> >><br>> >> Failing that, they are an ex party change to the PDP in violation<br>> of the<br>> >> PDP and the bylaws. While I agree with most of the<br>> recommendations on that<br>> >> page, we must above all preserve the integrity of the process and<br>> therefore<br>> >> follow the rules when we seek to amend the process.<br>> >><br>> >> Owen<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> > On Jun 17, 2019, at 17:08, Ernest Byaruhanga<br>> <<a href="mailto:ernest@afrinic.net" target="_blank">ernest@afrinic.net</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:ernest@afrinic.net" target="_blank">ernest@afrinic.net</a>>><br>> >> wrote:<br>> >> ><br>> >> > Owen,<br>> >> ><br>> >> > An update to the PDWG co-chair election process was produced by an<br>> >> elections process review committee instituted by the CEO and<br>> shared with<br>> >> the community for comments and feedback, sometime in 2012:<br>> >> ><br>> >> > <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2012/002145.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2012/002145.html</a><br>> >> ><br>> >> > Unfortunately we are not able to download or locate the<br>> original copy,<br>> >> but the adopted document used in 2013 included the requirement<br>> that those<br>> >> voting should be residing within the AFRINIC region.<br>> >> ><br>> >> > The elections committee has however never enforced this requirement<br>> >> despite its presence in the elections guideline, which was<br>> presumably an<br>> >> output of that review committee based on comments and feedback<br>> consequent<br>> >> to the call for comments.<br>> >> ><br>> >> > The elections committee will therefore not be enforcing this<br>> >> requirement in the coming election based on precedent.<br>> >> ><br>> >> > On the issue of remote participants voting, we have not<br>> provided for<br>> >> this before, and unfortunately not at the upcoming election.<br>> >> ><br>> >> > We welcome and will include the community?s feedback towards<br>> improving<br>> >> the current election processes.<br>> >> ><br>> >> > Ernest.<br>> >> ><br>> >> ><br>> >> >> On 16 Jun 2019, at 09:08, Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" target="_blank">owen@delong.com</a><br>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" target="_blank">owen@delong.com</a>>> wrote:<br>> >> >><br>> >> >> I have some questions about the conduct of this election.<br>> >> >><br>> >> >> First, I would think that the controlling document would be<br>> the CPM<br>> >> and not some random webpage of unknown origin.<br>> >> >><br>> >> >> Thus, I suggest that the rules (such as they are) are outlined<br>> in CPM<br>> >> section 3 and that where the following page:<br>> >> >>? ? <a href="https://afrinic.net/policy/development-working-group#election" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://afrinic.net/policy/development-working-group#election</a><br>> >> >><br>> >> >> Conflicts or provides additional restrictions, the CPM should be<br>> >> controlling and additional restrictions specified there are not<br>> valid.<br>> >> >><br>> >> >> I have not yet seen anyone answer Dewole?s earlier question about<br>> >> where this procedure came from and how it was deployed without<br>> community<br>> >> involvement or consensus.<br>> >> >><br>> >> >> Amending the election procedure (or even making it more specific)<br>> >> should be done through modification of the PDP via the PDP.<br>> >> >><br>> >> >> It certainly should not be done ad hoc by AfriNIC staff, the<br>> board, or<br>> >> whoever else produced that page.<br>> >> >><br>> >> >> For example, it has never previously been the practice that<br>> one must<br>> >> reside in a country within AfriNIC region in order to vote for PDWG<br>> >> co-chair, nor should it be. AfriNIC policies affect those outside<br>> of the<br>> >> region as well as those within the region and there are a significant<br>> >> number of people active in the PDWG that do not live within the<br>> region,<br>> >> myself included.<br>> >> >><br>> >> >> No RIR that I know of restricts voting for PDWG co-chairs (or<br>> >> equivalent) to those residing in the region.<br>> >> >><br>> >> >> Then there is the question of remote participants voting.<br>> >> >><br>> >> >> The CPM section 3.3 is silent on this matter for a normal<br>> election, so<br>> >> that leaves an open question.<br>> >> >> However,<br>> <a href="https://afrinic.net/policy/development-working-group#election" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://afrinic.net/policy/development-working-group#election</a><br>> >> states that you must be physically present in the room and must<br>> have a<br>> >> badge showing that you have registered (assuming that they sort<br>> out the<br>> >> irregularities with badge printing).<br>> >> >><br>> >> >> Can we please get some clarification on the procedure for this<br>> >> election at least 24 hours before the voting starts?<br>> >> >><br>> >> >> Thanks,<br>> >> >><br>> >> >> Owen<br>> >> >><br>> >> >><br>> >> >>> On Jun 9, 2019, at 1:51 AM, Dewole Ajao <<a href="mailto:dewole@forum.org.ng" target="_blank">dewole@forum.org.ng</a><br>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:dewole@forum.org.ng" target="_blank">dewole@forum.org.ng</a>>> wrote:<br>> >> >>><br>> >> >>> I was going to reply to say there are no standing rules on<br>> conduct of<br>> >> PDWG elections but I see from the CPM that the PDP election<br>> process somehow<br>> >> seems to have evolved. Can someone in the know please clarify how<br>> we came<br>> >> about the detailed election notes outlined at<br>> >> <a href="https://afrinic.net/policy/development-working-group#election" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://afrinic.net/policy/development-working-group#election</a> ?<br>> This is<br>> >> bearing in mind that changes to the PDP can only be done via the PDP.<br>> >> >>><br>> >> >>> My suggestion about giving the working group the option of<br>> retaining<br>> >> the current co-chair was an attempt to avoid 2 co-chairs leaving<br>> after the<br>> >> same meeting. Note that my suggested process allows the working group<br>> >> members present (who are the deciders of who becomes co-chair)<br>> the option<br>> >> of rejecting the default seat retention.<br>> >> >>><br>> >> >>> In any case, all of this is speculation as a result of the NomCom<br>> >> asking us what we think. At this point, it is over to Elections<br>> Committee<br>> >> to tell us how they intend to handle this.<br>> >> >>><br>> >> >>> Regards,<br>> >> >>><br>> >> >>> Dewole.<br>> >> >>><br>> >> >>><br>> >> >>><br>> >> >>><br>> >> >>>> On 6/8/2019 11:31 PM, Daniel Yakmut wrote:<br>> >> >>>> I want to believe that we have standing rules on who is<br>> qualify to<br>> >> be voted and how our elections should be conducted. I hope we not<br>> trying to<br>> >> define new rules here.<br>> >> >>>><br>> >> >>>> We should stick to the rules and all candidates regardless<br>> should be<br>> >> given a level playing field. i don't subscribe to allowing anyone<br>> giving<br>> >> any special consideration.<br>> >> >>>><br>> >> >>>> In particular I believe that all the candidates that are<br>> >> volunteering, could possibly some fresh air to the conduct of the<br>> PWDG. So<br>> >> let us not disadvantage anyone.<br>> >> >>>><br>> >> >>>> So far NomCom have shown commitment to? a fair process and<br>> >> maintaining that going forward will be important.<br>> >> >>>><br>> >> >>>> Simply,<br>> >> >>>> Danile<br>> >> >>>><br>> >> >>>><br>> >> >>>><br>> >> >>>>> On Jun 8, 2019, at 11:06 PM, Dewole Ajao<br>> <<a href="mailto:dewole@forum.org.ng" target="_blank">dewole@forum.org.ng</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:dewole@forum.org.ng" target="_blank">dewole@forum.org.ng</a>>><br>> >> wrote:<br>> >> >>>>><br>> >> >>>>> Sorry, the election slot is missing from the draft agenda I<br>> shared<br>> >> earlier. It may be inefficient to have election at the start of<br>> the policy<br>> >> day so it is planned to hold towards the end of the day. Holding the<br>> >> election before the open mic will allow working group members<br>> also provide<br>> >> feedback on the process during the open mic.<br>> >> >>>>><br>> >> >>>>> The contents of<br>> >> <a href="https://www.afrinic.net/candidate-slate-for-pdwg-election-2019" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.afrinic.net/candidate-slate-for-pdwg-election-2019</a> remain<br>> >> unchanged from the pre-protest announcement. Perhaps we should<br>> wait for<br>> >> NomCom to tell the working group who the co-chair candidates are<br>> (before we<br>> >> start the questioning)? For future PDWG elections, the questions<br>> could be<br>> >> included as part of the information to provide during the nominations<br>> >> stage. Or maybe some have already been asked by NomCom and the<br>> candidates<br>> >> only need to decide what they wish to share with us.<br>> >> >>>>><br>> >> >>>>> One would imagine that the Elections Committee already has<br>> a plan<br>> >> for incorporating remote participants who will naturally expect to<br>> >> participate in the co-chair selection as allowed by the PDP.<br>> >> >>>>><br>> >> >>>>> Regards,<br>> >> >>>>> Dewole.<br>> >> >>>>><br>> >> >>>>>> On 6/8/2019 10:07 PM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote:<br>> >> >>>>>> Hi Dewole, all,<br>> >> >>>>>><br>> >> >>>>>> I will agree with your suggestion, it is very important to<br>> keep<br>> >> continuity of the existing co-chairs.<br>> >> >>>>>><br>> >> >>>>>> Also, I think to avoid wasting precious time, it may be<br>> good to<br>> >> consider running the election at the end of the open mic, so even<br>> if the<br>> >> election process is delayed for whatever, reason, the PDP<br>> discussion time<br>> >> is respected.<br>> >> >>>>>><br>> >> >>>>>> One of the elected co-chairs will be running for just one<br>> year, or<br>> >> how it will be handled in order to get the staggered terms?<br>> >> >>>>>><br>> >> >>>>>> Finally, I've a question for the NomCom and the PDP-chair<br>> >> candidates. And I think this is very important for a successful<br>> knowledge<br>> >> by the community to whom they are electing. This is not about<br>> electing<br>> >> "your best friend for driving a party", but the people that<br>> better knows<br>> >> the PDP and has already been following it.<br>> >> >>>>>><br>> >> >>>>>> So, I will like to know, for each of the candidates, since<br>> when<br>> >> they have been in the RPD mailing list, how they have contributed<br>> in the<br>> >> discussions in the list and meetings, or even with policy<br>> proposals. How<br>> >> the candidates are going to support the PDP, increase community<br>> >> participation, etc. Also, we need to understand if they have actively<br>> >> supported or non-supported any of the actual policy proposals, so<br>> we can<br>> >> avoid electing two chairs that may have a bias on the same policy<br>> proposal.<br>> >> >>>>>><br>> >> >>>>>> Reading the actual CVs at<br>> >> <a href="https://www.afrinic.net/candidate-slate-for-pdwg-election-2019" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.afrinic.net/candidate-slate-for-pdwg-election-2019</a>, I<br>> don't<br>> >> think all the candidates have that information right now.<br>> >> >>>>>><br>> >> >>>>>> So, can the NomCom prepare a document answering (with verified<br>> >> responses to some extent) those questions for each of the<br>> candidate and<br>> >> publish it together with the CVs ?<br>> >> >>>>>><br>> >> >>>>>> Regards,<br>> >> >>>>>> Jordi<br>> >> >>>>>> ?El 8/6/19 21:10, "Dewole Ajao" <<a href="mailto:dewole@forum.org.ng" target="_blank">dewole@forum.org.ng</a><br>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:dewole@forum.org.ng" target="_blank">dewole@forum.org.ng</a>>> escribi?:<br>> >> >>>>>><br>> >> >>>>>>? ? A simple solution to clear any confusion would be for the<br>> >> Nomination<br>> >> >>>>>>? ? Committee to send out a fresh announcement listing the<br>> final<br>> >> slate of<br>> >> >>>>>>? ? candidates after their considerations have been done.<br>> >> >>>>>>? ? ? ? ?Elections Committee should at this point also<br>> state how<br>> >> the seats would<br>> >> >>>>>>? ? be filled so that everyone is clear about that. There<br>> have been<br>> >> >>>>>>? ? suggestions on how to fill the positions; better to<br>> sort them<br>> >> out now<br>> >> >>>>>>? ? rather than waste scarce time on the policy day.<br>> >> >>>>>>? ? ? ? ?My suggestion (and I may be biased) is this:<br>> >> >>>>>>? ? Since a current co-chair (Sami) is running, show of<br>> hands to<br>> >> see if the<br>> >> >>>>>>? ? working group is in support of Sami retaining his seat. If<br>> >> majority in<br>> >> >>>>>>? ? support of Sami continuing, then remainder of the<br>> election is<br>> >> for one<br>> >> >>>>>>? ? seat going to whichever of the remaining candidates has the<br>> >> maximum votes.<br>> >> >>>>>>? ? ? ? ?If the outcome of the first vote is not in favour of<br>> >> current co-chair<br>> >> >>>>>>? ? taking a seat by default, then second round of voting<br>> can be<br>> >> for 2 seats<br>> >> >>>>>>? ? possibly using the option of higher votes getting the<br>> longer<br>> >> term.<br>> >> >>>>>>? ? ? ? ?Again, this is just my point of view.<br>> >> >>>>>>? ? ? ? ?Regards,<br>> >> >>>>>>? ? ? ? ?Dewole.<br>> >> >>>>>>>? ? ? ? ?On 6/8/2019 5:25 PM, Ish Sookun wrote:<br>> >> >>>>>>> Hi Serge,<br>> >> >>>>>>><br>> >> >>>>>>>> On 6/8/19 2:21 PM, Iyedi Goma wrote:<br>> >> >>>>>>>> The Nomination Committee reviewed the nomination of the<br>> persons<br>> >> who<br>> >> >>>>>>>> submitted their documentation.? The Nomination Committee<br>> Chair<br>> >> contacted<br>> >> >>>>>>>> each nominee to notify him/her of the decision.<br>> >> >>>>>>>><br>> >> >>>>>>> Is this particular update referring to all the nominees,<br>> nominees<br>> >> that<br>> >> >>>>>>> complained or only nominees that remained after the<br>> NomCom filter.<br>> >> >>>>>>><br>> >> >>>>>>> The text "persons who submitted their documentation"<br>> requires more<br>> >> >>>>>>> clarity IMHO.<br>> >> >>>>>>><br>> >> >>>>>>> Regards,<br>> >> >>>>>>><br>> >> >>>>>>> Ish Sookun<br>> >> >>>>>>><br>> >> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________<br>> >> >>>>>>> RPD mailing list<br>> >> >>>>>>> <a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net" target="_blank">RPD@afrinic.net</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net" target="_blank">RPD@afrinic.net</a>><br>> >> >>>>>>> <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a><br>> >> >>>>>>? ? ? ? ?_______________________________________________<br>> >> >>>>>>? ? 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IPv4<br>> inter-RIR<br>> >> legacy resources from and to other regions will offer a realistic<br>> solution<br>> >> to the problem of reclaiming the significant amount of unused IPV4<br>> >> resources and allocating them to their most efficient users. The<br>> transfer<br>> >> will be subject to the need to main route aggregation and allow<br>> resources<br>> >> not in used in one region to be transferred to a region where it<br>> is needed.<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> Preventing IPv4 Inter-RIR Legacy Resource Transfers would only<br>> push the<br>> >> demand and supply pressures surrounding the scarcity of resources<br>> into<br>> >> different channel such as the holder of this unused resources will do<br>> >> everything within their power for continued possession of this<br>> resources<br>> >> for purpose of black market, increase their value in an acquisition.<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> Inter-RIR Legacy would definitely allows organization willing to<br>> release<br>> >> address resources to benefit monetarily by selling them to<br>> another region<br>> >> who wants them subject to the record keeping requirements and<br>> regulation of<br>> >> inter regional legacy instead of being hijacked or use without<br>> >> authorization.<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> It is very obvious that the risk associated with this will be<br>> very small<br>> >> when compare to the potential benefit and this will also reinforce<br>> >> effectiveness of the inter Regional Internet Address Registries<br>> in global<br>> >> internet governance.<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> _______________________________________________<br>> >> RPD mailing list<br>> >> <a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net" target="_blank">RPD@afrinic.net</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net" target="_blank">RPD@afrinic.net</a>><br>> >> <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a><br>> >><br>> >> -------------- next part --------------<br>> >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>> >> URL: <<br>> >><br>> <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/attachments/20190618/c6c04f42/attachment-0001.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/attachments/20190618/c6c04f42/attachment-0001.html</a><br>> >> ><br>> >><br>> >> ------------------------------<br>> >><br>> >> Message: 3<br>> >> Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 09:19:24 +0200<br>> >> From: Mark Elkins <<a href="mailto:mje@posix.co.za" target="_blank">mje@posix.co.za</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:mje@posix.co.za" target="_blank">mje@posix.co.za</a>>><br>> >> To: <a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br>> >> Subject: Re: [rpd] IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer.<br>> >> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:e927753c-91b9-364f-ba24-22613d8fc362@posix.co.za" target="_blank">e927753c-91b9-364f-ba24-22613d8fc362@posix.co.za</a><br>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:e927753c-91b9-364f-ba24-22613d8fc362@posix.co.za" target="_blank">e927753c-91b9-364f-ba24-22613d8fc362@posix.co.za</a>>><br>> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"<br>> >><br>> >> IPv4 resources were never enough for the world (Four-ish billion IP<br>> >> addresses). That's why IPv6 was created. The other four RIR's have<br>> >> basically run out of IPv4 - which to an extent has forced them to<br>> adopt<br>> >> IPv6. In a perverse way - its actually bad for Africa to NOT have run<br>> >> out as we lazily continue to deploy IPv4 - last years technology as<br>> >> such.. Better to move straight to IPv6 before we are too weighed<br>> down by<br>> >> the legacy restrictiveness of IPv4 addresses.<br>> >><br>> >> Also - the Transfer Policy would generally need to be<br>> bidirectional so<br>> >> that other RIR regions will allow the transfer of IPv4 resources into<br>> >> Africa - that is, play on an equal footing - if indeed some of the<br>> >> larger African ISP's need to acquire more IPv4 addresses.<br>> >><br>> >> If an African LIR/ISP does sell IPv4 resources to another region then<br>> >> the capitol will probably be used to expand that LIR's business -<br>> >> presumably in an IPv6 direction - which would be beneficial to that<br>> >> LIR's customers and to an extent, the rest of our community.<br>> >><br>> >> Just think, for the first time ever, we get to dump old<br>> technology onto<br>> >> "developed" countries rather than the other way around.<br>> >><br>> >> On 2019/06/18 08:05, Pascal ANDRIANISA wrote:<br>> >> > Dear Ishola Kabir, I think the transfer of inter-RIR does not<br>> benefit<br>> >> > AFRINIC for the simple reason that AFRINIC's resources are not<br>> enough<br>> >> > for its region. Regard,<br>> >> ><br>> >> > *Pascal* Heriliva ANDRIANISA<br>> >> > Webmaster i RENALA<br>> >> > *R*esearch and *E*ducation *N*etwork for *A*cademic and *L*earning<br>> >> > *A*ctivities - <a href="http://www.irenala.edu.mg/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.irenala.edu.mg/</a><br>> >> > Porte 201 - Minist?re de l'Enseignement Sup?rieur et de la<br>> Recherche<br>> >> > Scientifique - Fiadanana_<br>> >> > GSM :+261 (0) 32 46 680 29?? |??? +261 (0) 34 30 680 29_<br>> >> ><br>> >> ><br>> >> ><br>> >> ><br>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>> >> > *De: *"ishola kabir" <<a href="mailto:isholakabir@gmail.com" target="_blank">isholakabir@gmail.com</a><br>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:isholakabir@gmail.com" target="_blank">isholakabir@gmail.com</a>>><br>> >> > *?: *<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br>> >> > *Envoy?: *Lundi 17 Juin 2019 17:17:58<br>> >> > *Objet: *Re: [rpd] IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer.<br>> >> ><br>> >> ><br>> >> > I stand to support the policy on proposal of IPV4 inter-RIR legacy<br>> >> > resources transfer.<br>> >> ><br>> >> > We're running out of IPV4 resources and the Regional Internet<br>> >> > Registries (RIRs) have started to run out of of IPV4 resources as<br>> >> > well. IPv4 inter-RIR legacy resources from and to other regions<br>> will<br>> >> > offer a realistic solution to the problem of reclaiming the<br>> >> > significant amount of unused IPV4 resources and allocating them to<br>> >> > their most efficient users. The transfer will be subject to the<br>> need<br>> >> > to main route aggregation and allow resources not in used in one<br>> >> > region to be transferred to a region where it is needed.<br>> >> ><br>> >> > Preventing IPv4 Inter-RIR Legacy Resource Transfers would only push<br>> >> > the demand ?and supply pressures surrounding the scarcity of<br>> resources<br>> >> > into different channel such as the holder of this unused resources<br>> >> > will do everything within their power for continued possession<br>> of this<br>> >> > resources for purpose of black market, increase their value in an<br>> >> > acquisition.<br>> >> ><br>> >> > Inter-RIR Legacy would definitely allows organization willing to<br>> >> > release address resources to benefit monetarily by selling them to<br>> >> > another region who wants them subject to the record keeping<br>> >> > requirements and regulation of inter regional legacy instead of<br>> being<br>> >> > hijacked or use without authorization.<br>> >> ><br>> >> > It is very obvious that the risk associated with this will be very<br>> >> > small when compare to the potential benefit and this will also<br>> >> > reinforce effectiveness of the inter Regional Internet Address<br>> >> > Registries in global internet governance.<br>> >> ><br>> >> ><br>> >> ><br>> >> ><br>> >> ><br>> >> ><br>> >> ><br>> >> ><br>> >> > _______________________________________________<br>> >> > RPD mailing list<br>> >> > <a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net" target="_blank">RPD@afrinic.net</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net" target="_blank">RPD@afrinic.net</a>><br>> >> > <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a><br>> >> ><br>> >> ><br>> >> > _______________________________________________<br>> >> > RPD mailing list<br>> >> > <a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net" target="_blank">RPD@afrinic.net</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net" target="_blank">RPD@afrinic.net</a>><br>> >> > <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a><br>> >><br>> >> --<br>> >> Mark James ELKINS? -? 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