<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 at 13:51, Andrew Alston <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I also support this policy, for an entirely different reason.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Africa is running out of IPv4 addresses – and without this – we will have no way to get any in. People are talking about transferring resources off continent – what about the people
who want to transfer INTO Africa. The simple reality is – the arguments against this policy fail on two grounds<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<li class="gmail-m_-3516428753360197263MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm"><span lang="EN-US">If there is not enough space – then there will be nothing to transfer out – so no harm no foul<u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="gmail-m_-3516428753360197263MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm"><span lang="EN-US">If there is not enough space in Africa – then without this policy you are leaving those who need it stranded and forced to go
and join another RIR that will allow them to partake in the transfer market, effectively, you are forcing African companies to go outside of the continent to continue to grow and expand – this cannot be said to be in the interests of the Afrinic member base</span></li></ol></div></div></blockquote><div><font color="#0000ff">So it is better to keep Africa stranded so that the world will not be stranded and choose the option of joining others that have fully utilized theirs to enter IP market in search of the resources we have been sold out when we need them to develop Africa. </font></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="en-KE"><div class="gmail-m_-3516428753360197263WordSection1"><ol style="margin-top:0cm" start="1" type="a"><li class="gmail-m_-3516428753360197263MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm"><span lang="EN-US">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">As such, I to fully support this policy</span></p></div></div></blockquote><div><font color="#0000ff">I do not support this policy since it will not add any value to African development</font></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="en-KE"><div class="gmail-m_-3516428753360197263WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><font color="#0000ff"><u></u><u></u></font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Andrew<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> 94cm4n . <<a href="mailto:ezekielj20@gmail.com" target="_blank">ezekielj20@gmail.com</a>>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [rpd] IPV4 Inter-RIR Legacy Resource Transfer<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Dear all,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">The above policy I strongly support because unused resources cannot be left dormant without use. Moreover, other RIR have all implemented this policy and it will do us good as
a community to have this policy approved before we all leave Uganda.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Thanks for your understanding.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Jehovahseun Ezekiel ADEKANMI<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, 18 Jun 2019, 12:46 PM 94cm4n ., <<a href="mailto:ezekielj20@gmail.com" target="_blank">ezekielj20@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Dear all,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">The above policy I strongly support because unused resources cannot be left dormant without use. Moreover, other RIR have all implemented this policy and it will do us good as
a community to have this policy approved before we all leave Uganda.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Thanks for your understanding.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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I agree and support this policy.<br>
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On 18/06/2019 12:23, Emem William wrote:<br>
> Dear all,?<br>
> Jordie and Mark has giving all the points. There is no need for me to<br>
> repeat them.?<br>
> Afrinic is the only region left out cos we are sometimes slow.<br>
> I totally agree with this policy and I believe it should get approved<br>
> here in Uganda.<br>
> Thanks<br>
> <br>
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> ? ?3. Re: IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer. (Kris Seeburn)<br>
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> Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 10:48:06 +0300 (EAT)<br>
> From: Pascal ANDRIANISA <<a href="mailto:pascal@irenala.edu.mg" target="_blank">pascal@irenala.edu.mg</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:pascal@irenala.edu.mg" target="_blank">pascal@irenala.edu.mg</a>>><br>
> To: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <<a href="mailto:jordi.palet@consulintel.es" target="_blank">jordi.palet@consulintel.es</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:jordi.palet@consulintel.es" target="_blank">jordi.palet@consulintel.es</a>>><br>
> Cc: rpd <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>><br>
> Subject: Re: [rpd] inputs on IPv4 Inter-RIR policy proposals - AFRINIC<br>
> ? ? ? ? needs this policy now!<br>
> Message-ID:<br>
> ? ? ? ?<br>
> <<a href="mailto:2084202978.190352.1560844086975.JavaMail.zimbra@irenala.edu.mg" target="_blank">2084202978.190352.1560844086975.JavaMail.zimbra@irenala.edu.mg</a><br>
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> Hi Jordi,<br>
> I read the policy proposal for IPV4 Inter-RIR Transfert.? ?<br>
> The article =><br>
> <a href="https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2019-v4-002-d1#proposal" target="_blank">https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2019-v4-002-d1#proposal</a><br>
> ? I think this is not the benefit of AFRINIC as resources are<br>
> currently insufficient for AFRINIC.<br>
> Otherwise it is necessary to balance the transfers between RIR<br>
> because at least the number of resources is limited to sending to<br>
> other RIRs.<br>
> <br>
> I do not support this policy for this reason, The AFRINIC's<br>
> resources are not enough for AFRICA, why transfer them elsewhere ....<br>
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> De: "rpd" <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>><br>
> ?: "rpd" <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>><br>
> Envoy?: Samedi 15 Juin 2019 13:23:23<br>
> Objet: [rpd] inputs on IPv4 Inter-RIR policy proposals - AFRINIC<br>
> needs this policy now!<br>
> <br>
> Hi all,<br>
> <br>
> I wonder if anyone has inputs on the policy proposals for IPv4<br>
> Inter-RIR transfers.<br>
> <br>
> <a href="https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2019-v4-001-d1" target="_blank">https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2019-v4-001-d1</a><br>
> <br>
> and<br>
> <br>
> <a href="https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2019-v4-002-d1" target="_blank">https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2019-v4-002-d1</a><br>
> <br>
> I will be presenting both of them together on Wednesday 19th. If<br>
> you're not in Kampala, make sure to participate remotely<br>
> (<a href="https://www.internetsummit.africa/en/participate-remotely" target="_blank">https://www.internetsummit.africa/en/participate-remotely</a>), so we<br>
> can resolve any doubts on the spot.<br>
> <br>
> This is a key issue for AFRINIC, which now is the *only* RIR not<br>
> allowing those transfers.<br>
> <br>
> AFRINIC is soon (probably around end of this year) entering in<br>
> exhaustion phase 2, so it will become more and more difficult to<br>
> obtain IPv4. If transfers from other regions aren't allowed, this<br>
> will be an added difficulty for the Internet growth in the region,<br>
> and increase the difficulties for the continued IPv6 deployment.<br>
> <br>
> The region needs this policy *now*, because the implementation<br>
> requires several months as there is a need to coordinate with the<br>
> systems of the other RIRs, in order to ensure a transparent<br>
> transfers process.<br>
> <br>
> So, what is your opinion?<br>
> <br>
> Regards,<br>
> Jordi<br>
> @jordipalet<br>
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> Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 08:41:32 +0000 (UTC)<br>
> From: aleruchi chuku <<a href="mailto:aleruchichuku@yahoo.com" target="_blank">aleruchichuku@yahoo.com</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:aleruchichuku@yahoo.com" target="_blank">aleruchichuku@yahoo.com</a>>><br>
> To: "<a href="mailto:pascal@irenala.edu.mg" target="_blank">pascal@irenala.edu.mg</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:pascal@irenala.edu.mg" target="_blank">pascal@irenala.edu.mg</a>>"<br>
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> Cc: "<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>" <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>><br>
> Subject: Re: [rpd] IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer.<br>
> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:820859170.2990967.1560847292489@mail.yahoo.com" target="_blank">820859170.2990967.1560847292489@mail.yahoo.com</a><br>
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> If the IPV4 is not enough for the region, then there will be nothing<br>
> to transfere....would there?<br>
> But where it is available and as we all know gradually becoming<br>
> "old" in our region, then perhaps it is truly to our benefit to be<br>
> able to transfere this resource to other regions as well as recieve<br>
> from them.<br>
> Aleruchi<br>
> <br>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android<br>
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> ? On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 at 9:07 am, Pascal<br>
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> <mailto:<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>>, ishola kabir<br>
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> That is a thought of sense. If we do that we equate and live another<br>
> day as we say. Yes old it will be and pushing to be at par with<br>
> others is the way through<br>
> <br>
> > On 18 Jun 2019, at 12:41, aleruchi chuku via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>> wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > If the IPV4 is not enough for the region, then there will be<br>
> nothing to transfere....would there?<br>
> ><br>
> > But where it is available and as we all know gradually becoming<br>
> "old" in our region, then perhaps it is truly to our benefit to be<br>
> able to transfere this resource to other regions as well as recieve<br>
> from them.<br>
> ><br>
> > Aleruchi<br>
> ><br>
> > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android<br>
> <<a href="https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android" target="_blank">https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android</a>><br>
> > On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 at 9:07 am, Pascal ANDRIANISA<br>
> > <<a href="mailto:pascal@irenala.edu.mg" target="_blank">pascal@irenala.edu.mg</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:pascal@irenala.edu.mg" target="_blank">pascal@irenala.edu.mg</a>>> wrote:<br>
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> Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 09:43:58 +0100<br>
> From: Hussein Olanrewaju AKANDE <<a href="mailto:elsufi@unilorin.edu.ng" target="_blank">elsufi@unilorin.edu.ng</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:elsufi@unilorin.edu.ng" target="_blank">elsufi@unilorin.edu.ng</a>>><br>
> To: Kris Seeburn <<a href="mailto:seeburn.k@gmail.com" target="_blank">seeburn.k@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:seeburn.k@gmail.com" target="_blank">seeburn.k@gmail.com</a>>><br>
> Cc: "AfriNIC RPD MList." <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>><br>
> Subject: Re: [rpd] IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer<br>
> Message-ID:<br>
> ? ? ? ?<br>
> <CAEsR0rUKoKOH=ku-qHHo7ShWymOHzX_dE4r80DF=<a href="mailto:nqcP2ciFJQ@mail.gmail.com" target="_blank">nqcP2ciFJQ@mail.gmail.com</a><br>
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> <br>
> I agree with you perfectly.<br>
> <br>
> On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 9:05 AM Kris Seeburn <<a href="mailto:seeburn.k@gmail.com" target="_blank">seeburn.k@gmail.com</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:seeburn.k@gmail.com" target="_blank">seeburn.k@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
> <br>
> > I?ll second and if not support that resources be used than kept in the<br>
> > coffer. If the coffer generated some interest I would see no issue<br>
> but our<br>
> > existence is also trying to find a stability between all the RIRs and<br>
> > resources needs to be used for continuous existence and sustainability<br>
> ><br>
> > On 18 Jun 2019, at 11:53, Hussein Olanrewaju AKANDE <<br>
> > <a href="mailto:elsufi@unilorin.edu.ng" target="_blank">elsufi@unilorin.edu.ng</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:elsufi@unilorin.edu.ng" target="_blank">elsufi@unilorin.edu.ng</a>>> wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > Dear All,<br>
> > Thank you Mark Elkins for those wonderful points, I do not<br>
> understand why<br>
> > we should continue to keep the resources when they can easily be<br>
> utilized.<br>
> ><br>
> > On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 8:21 AM <<a href="mailto:rpd-request@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd-request@afrinic.net</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:rpd-request@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd-request@afrinic.net</a>>> wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> >> Send RPD mailing list submissions to<br>
> >>? ? ? ? ?<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br>
> >><br>
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> >> Today's Topics:<br>
> >><br>
> >>? ? 1. Re: Nomcom feedback to PDWG (Owen DeLong)<br>
> >>? ? 2. Re: IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer. (Pascal<br>
> ANDRIANISA)<br>
> >>? ? 3. Re: IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer. (Mark Elkins)<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
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> >><br>
> >> Message: 1<br>
> >> Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2019 23:19:55 +0300<br>
> >> From: Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" target="_blank">owen@delong.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" target="_blank">owen@delong.com</a>>><br>
> >> To: Ernest Byaruhanga <<a href="mailto:ernest@afrinic.net" target="_blank">ernest@afrinic.net</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:ernest@afrinic.net" target="_blank">ernest@afrinic.net</a>>><br>
> >> Cc: 2019 NomCom <<a href="mailto:nomcom2019@afrinic.net" target="_blank">nomcom2019@afrinic.net</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:nomcom2019@afrinic.net" target="_blank">nomcom2019@afrinic.net</a>>>,
<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br>
> >> Subject: Re: [rpd] Nomcom feedback to PDWG<br>
> >> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:F7C58339-1AD0-4729-95E3-3F1110B5C11B@delong.com" target="_blank">F7C58339-1AD0-4729-95E3-3F1110B5C11B@delong.com</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:F7C58339-1AD0-4729-95E3-3F1110B5C11B@delong.com" target="_blank">F7C58339-1AD0-4729-95E3-3F1110B5C11B@delong.com</a>>><br>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain;? ? ? ?charset=utf-8<br>
> >><br>
> >> Ernest, as I understand the PDP and the bylaws, the only<br>
> appropriate way<br>
> >> to implement the output of that committee would be for the<br>
> committee to<br>
> >> write up one or more policy proposals to codify then into the PDP<br>
> and have<br>
> >> the community come to consensus on them.<br>
> >><br>
> >> Failing that, they are an ex party change to the PDP in violation<br>
> of the<br>
> >> PDP and the bylaws. While I agree with most of the<br>
> recommendations on that<br>
> >> page, we must above all preserve the integrity of the process and<br>
> therefore<br>
> >> follow the rules when we seek to amend the process.<br>
> >><br>
> >> Owen<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >> > On Jun 17, 2019, at 17:08, Ernest Byaruhanga<br>
> <<a href="mailto:ernest@afrinic.net" target="_blank">ernest@afrinic.net</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:ernest@afrinic.net" target="_blank">ernest@afrinic.net</a>>><br>
> >> wrote:<br>
> >> ><br>
> >> > Owen,<br>
> >> ><br>
> >> > An update to the PDWG co-chair election process was produced by an<br>
> >> elections process review committee instituted by the CEO and<br>
> shared with<br>
> >> the community for comments and feedback, sometime in 2012:<br>
> >> ><br>
> >> > <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2012/002145.html" target="_blank">
https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2012/002145.html</a><br>
> >> ><br>
> >> > Unfortunately we are not able to download or locate the<br>
> original copy,<br>
> >> but the adopted document used in 2013 included the requirement<br>
> that those<br>
> >> voting should be residing within the AFRINIC region.<br>
> >> ><br>
> >> > The elections committee has however never enforced this requirement<br>
> >> despite its presence in the elections guideline, which was<br>
> presumably an<br>
> >> output of that review committee based on comments and feedback<br>
> consequent<br>
> >> to the call for comments.<br>
> >> ><br>
> >> > The elections committee will therefore not be enforcing this<br>
> >> requirement in the coming election based on precedent.<br>
> >> ><br>
> >> > On the issue of remote participants voting, we have not<br>
> provided for<br>
> >> this before, and unfortunately not at the upcoming election.<br>
> >> ><br>
> >> > We welcome and will include the community?s feedback towards<br>
> improving<br>
> >> the current election processes.<br>
> >> ><br>
> >> > Ernest.<br>
> >> ><br>
> >> ><br>
> >> >> On 16 Jun 2019, at 09:08, Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" target="_blank">owen@delong.com</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" target="_blank">owen@delong.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
> >> >><br>
> >> >> I have some questions about the conduct of this election.<br>
> >> >><br>
> >> >> First, I would think that the controlling document would be<br>
> the CPM<br>
> >> and not some random webpage of unknown origin.<br>
> >> >><br>
> >> >> Thus, I suggest that the rules (such as they are) are outlined<br>
> in CPM<br>
> >> section 3 and that where the following page:<br>
> >> >>? ? <a href="https://afrinic.net/policy/development-working-group#election" target="_blank">
https://afrinic.net/policy/development-working-group#election</a><br>
> >> >><br>
> >> >> Conflicts or provides additional restrictions, the CPM should be<br>
> >> controlling and additional restrictions specified there are not<br>
> valid.<br>
> >> >><br>
> >> >> I have not yet seen anyone answer Dewole?s earlier question about<br>
> >> where this procedure came from and how it was deployed without<br>
> community<br>
> >> involvement or consensus.<br>
> >> >><br>
> >> >> Amending the election procedure (or even making it more specific)<br>
> >> should be done through modification of the PDP via the PDP.<br>
> >> >><br>
> >> >> It certainly should not be done ad hoc by AfriNIC staff, the<br>
> board, or<br>
> >> whoever else produced that page.<br>
> >> >><br>
> >> >> For example, it has never previously been the practice that<br>
> one must<br>
> >> reside in a country within AfriNIC region in order to vote for PDWG<br>
> >> co-chair, nor should it be. AfriNIC policies affect those outside<br>
> of the<br>
> >> region as well as those within the region and there are a significant<br>
> >> number of people active in the PDWG that do not live within the<br>
> region,<br>
> >> myself included.<br>
> >> >><br>
> >> >> No RIR that I know of restricts voting for PDWG co-chairs (or<br>
> >> equivalent) to those residing in the region.<br>
> >> >><br>
> >> >> Then there is the question of remote participants voting.<br>
> >> >><br>
> >> >> The CPM section 3.3 is silent on this matter for a normal<br>
> election, so<br>
> >> that leaves an open question.<br>
> >> >> However,<br>
> <a href="https://afrinic.net/policy/development-working-group#election" target="_blank">https://afrinic.net/policy/development-working-group#election</a><br>
> >> states that you must be physically present in the room and must<br>
> have a<br>
> >> badge showing that you have registered (assuming that they sort<br>
> out the<br>
> >> irregularities with badge printing).<br>
> >> >><br>
> >> >> Can we please get some clarification on the procedure for this<br>
> >> election at least 24 hours before the voting starts?<br>
> >> >><br>
> >> >> Thanks,<br>
> >> >><br>
> >> >> Owen<br>
> >> >><br>
> >> >><br>
> >> >>> On Jun 9, 2019, at 1:51 AM, Dewole Ajao <<a href="mailto:dewole@forum.org.ng" target="_blank">dewole@forum.org.ng</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:dewole@forum.org.ng" target="_blank">dewole@forum.org.ng</a>>> wrote:<br>
> >> >>><br>
> >> >>> I was going to reply to say there are no standing rules on<br>
> conduct of<br>
> >> PDWG elections but I see from the CPM that the PDP election<br>
> process somehow<br>
> >> seems to have evolved. Can someone in the know please clarify how<br>
> we came<br>
> >> about the detailed election notes outlined at<br>
> >> <a href="https://afrinic.net/policy/development-working-group#election" target="_blank">
https://afrinic.net/policy/development-working-group#election</a> ?<br>
> This is<br>
> >> bearing in mind that changes to the PDP can only be done via the PDP.<br>
> >> >>><br>
> >> >>> My suggestion about giving the working group the option of<br>
> retaining<br>
> >> the current co-chair was an attempt to avoid 2 co-chairs leaving<br>
> after the<br>
> >> same meeting. Note that my suggested process allows the working group<br>
> >> members present (who are the deciders of who becomes co-chair)<br>
> the option<br>
> >> of rejecting the default seat retention.<br>
> >> >>><br>
> >> >>> In any case, all of this is speculation as a result of the NomCom<br>
> >> asking us what we think. At this point, it is over to Elections<br>
> Committee<br>
> >> to tell us how they intend to handle this.<br>
> >> >>><br>
> >> >>> Regards,<br>
> >> >>><br>
> >> >>> Dewole.<br>
> >> >>><br>
> >> >>><br>
> >> >>><br>
> >> >>><br>
> >> >>>> On 6/8/2019 11:31 PM, Daniel Yakmut wrote:<br>
> >> >>>> I want to believe that we have standing rules on who is<br>
> qualify to<br>
> >> be voted and how our elections should be conducted. I hope we not<br>
> trying to<br>
> >> define new rules here.<br>
> >> >>>><br>
> >> >>>> We should stick to the rules and all candidates regardless<br>
> should be<br>
> >> given a level playing field. i don't subscribe to allowing anyone<br>
> giving<br>
> >> any special consideration.<br>
> >> >>>><br>
> >> >>>> In particular I believe that all the candidates that are<br>
> >> volunteering, could possibly some fresh air to the conduct of the<br>
> PWDG. So<br>
> >> let us not disadvantage anyone.<br>
> >> >>>><br>
> >> >>>> So far NomCom have shown commitment to? a fair process and<br>
> >> maintaining that going forward will be important.<br>
> >> >>>><br>
> >> >>>> Simply,<br>
> >> >>>> Danile<br>
> >> >>>><br>
> >> >>>><br>
> >> >>>><br>
> >> >>>>> On Jun 8, 2019, at 11:06 PM, Dewole Ajao<br>
> <<a href="mailto:dewole@forum.org.ng" target="_blank">dewole@forum.org.ng</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:dewole@forum.org.ng" target="_blank">dewole@forum.org.ng</a>>><br>
> >> wrote:<br>
> >> >>>>><br>
> >> >>>>> Sorry, the election slot is missing from the draft agenda I<br>
> shared<br>
> >> earlier. It may be inefficient to have election at the start of<br>
> the policy<br>
> >> day so it is planned to hold towards the end of the day. Holding the<br>
> >> election before the open mic will allow working group members<br>
> also provide<br>
> >> feedback on the process during the open mic.<br>
> >> >>>>><br>
> >> >>>>> The contents of<br>
> >> <a href="https://www.afrinic.net/candidate-slate-for-pdwg-election-2019" target="_blank">
https://www.afrinic.net/candidate-slate-for-pdwg-election-2019</a> remain<br>
> >> unchanged from the pre-protest announcement. Perhaps we should<br>
> wait for<br>
> >> NomCom to tell the working group who the co-chair candidates are<br>
> (before we<br>
> >> start the questioning)? For future PDWG elections, the questions<br>
> could be<br>
> >> included as part of the information to provide during the nominations<br>
> >> stage. Or maybe some have already been asked by NomCom and the<br>
> candidates<br>
> >> only need to decide what they wish to share with us.<br>
> >> >>>>><br>
> >> >>>>> One would imagine that the Elections Committee already has<br>
> a plan<br>
> >> for incorporating remote participants who will naturally expect to<br>
> >> participate in the co-chair selection as allowed by the PDP.<br>
> >> >>>>><br>
> >> >>>>> Regards,<br>
> >> >>>>> Dewole.<br>
> >> >>>>><br>
> >> >>>>>> On 6/8/2019 10:07 PM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote:<br>
> >> >>>>>> Hi Dewole, all,<br>
> >> >>>>>><br>
> >> >>>>>> I will agree with your suggestion, it is very important to<br>
> keep<br>
> >> continuity of the existing co-chairs.<br>
> >> >>>>>><br>
> >> >>>>>> Also, I think to avoid wasting precious time, it may be<br>
> good to<br>
> >> consider running the election at the end of the open mic, so even<br>
> if the<br>
> >> election process is delayed for whatever, reason, the PDP<br>
> discussion time<br>
> >> is respected.<br>
> >> >>>>>><br>
> >> >>>>>> One of the elected co-chairs will be running for just one<br>
> year, or<br>
> >> how it will be handled in order to get the staggered terms?<br>
> >> >>>>>><br>
> >> >>>>>> Finally, I've a question for the NomCom and the PDP-chair<br>
> >> candidates. And I think this is very important for a successful<br>
> knowledge<br>
> >> by the community to whom they are electing. This is not about<br>
> electing<br>
> >> "your best friend for driving a party", but the people that<br>
> better knows<br>
> >> the PDP and has already been following it.<br>
> >> >>>>>><br>
> >> >>>>>> So, I will like to know, for each of the candidates, since<br>
> when<br>
> >> they have been in the RPD mailing list, how they have contributed<br>
> in the<br>
> >> discussions in the list and meetings, or even with policy<br>
> proposals. How<br>
> >> the candidates are going to support the PDP, increase community<br>
> >> participation, etc. Also, we need to understand if they have actively<br>
> >> supported or non-supported any of the actual policy proposals, so<br>
> we can<br>
> >> avoid electing two chairs that may have a bias on the same policy<br>
> proposal.<br>
> >> >>>>>><br>
> >> >>>>>> Reading the actual CVs at<br>
> >> <a href="https://www.afrinic.net/candidate-slate-for-pdwg-election-2019" target="_blank">
https://www.afrinic.net/candidate-slate-for-pdwg-election-2019</a>, I<br>
> don't<br>
> >> think all the candidates have that information right now.<br>
> >> >>>>>><br>
> >> >>>>>> So, can the NomCom prepare a document answering (with verified<br>
> >> responses to some extent) those questions for each of the<br>
> candidate and<br>
> >> publish it together with the CVs ?<br>
> >> >>>>>><br>
> >> >>>>>> Regards,<br>
> >> >>>>>> Jordi<br>
> >> >>>>>> ?El 8/6/19 21:10, "Dewole Ajao" <<a href="mailto:dewole@forum.org.ng" target="_blank">dewole@forum.org.ng</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:dewole@forum.org.ng" target="_blank">dewole@forum.org.ng</a>>> escribi?:<br>
> >> >>>>>><br>
> >> >>>>>>? ? A simple solution to clear any confusion would be for the<br>
> >> Nomination<br>
> >> >>>>>>? ? Committee to send out a fresh announcement listing the<br>
> final<br>
> >> slate of<br>
> >> >>>>>>? ? candidates after their considerations have been done.<br>
> >> >>>>>>? ? ? ? ?Elections Committee should at this point also<br>
> state how<br>
> >> the seats would<br>
> >> >>>>>>? ? be filled so that everyone is clear about that. There<br>
> have been<br>
> >> >>>>>>? ? suggestions on how to fill the positions; better to<br>
> sort them<br>
> >> out now<br>
> >> >>>>>>? ? rather than waste scarce time on the policy day.<br>
> >> >>>>>>? ? ? ? ?My suggestion (and I may be biased) is this:<br>
> >> >>>>>>? ? Since a current co-chair (Sami) is running, show of<br>
> hands to<br>
> >> see if the<br>
> >> >>>>>>? ? working group is in support of Sami retaining his seat. If<br>
> >> majority in<br>
> >> >>>>>>? ? support of Sami continuing, then remainder of the<br>
> election is<br>
> >> for one<br>
> >> >>>>>>? ? seat going to whichever of the remaining candidates has the<br>
> >> maximum votes.<br>
> >> >>>>>>? ? ? ? ?If the outcome of the first vote is not in favour of<br>
> >> current co-chair<br>
> >> >>>>>>? ? taking a seat by default, then second round of voting<br>
> can be<br>
> >> for 2 seats<br>
> >> >>>>>>? ? possibly using the option of higher votes getting the<br>
> longer<br>
> >> term.<br>
> >> >>>>>>? ? ? ? ?Again, this is just my point of view.<br>
> >> >>>>>>? ? ? ? ?Regards,<br>
> >> >>>>>>? ? ? ? ?Dewole.<br>
> >> >>>>>>>? ? ? ? ?On 6/8/2019 5:25 PM, Ish Sookun wrote:<br>
> >> >>>>>>> Hi Serge,<br>
> >> >>>>>>><br>
> >> >>>>>>>> On 6/8/19 2:21 PM, Iyedi Goma wrote:<br>
> >> >>>>>>>> The Nomination Committee reviewed the nomination of the<br>
> persons<br>
> >> who<br>
> >> >>>>>>>> submitted their documentation.? The Nomination Committee<br>
> Chair<br>
> >> contacted<br>
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> >> Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 09:05:12 +0300 (EAT)<br>
> >> From: Pascal ANDRIANISA <<a href="mailto:pascal@irenala.edu.mg" target="_blank">pascal@irenala.edu.mg</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:pascal@irenala.edu.mg" target="_blank">pascal@irenala.edu.mg</a>>><br>
> >> To: ishola kabir <<a href="mailto:isholakabir@gmail.com" target="_blank">isholakabir@gmail.com</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:isholakabir@gmail.com" target="_blank">isholakabir@gmail.com</a>>><br>
> >> Cc: <a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br>
> >> Subject: Re: [rpd] IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer.<br>
> >> Message-ID:<br>
> >>? ? ? ?<br>
> ?<<a href="mailto:1103848571.189374.1560837912327.JavaMail.zimbra@irenala.edumg%0b" target="_blank">1103848571.189374.1560837912327.JavaMail.zimbra@irenala.edumg<br>
</a>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:1103848571.189374.1560837912327.JavaMail.zimbra@irenala.edu.mg" target="_blank">1103848571.189374.1560837912327.JavaMail.zimbra@irenala.edu.mg</a>>><br>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br>
> >><br>
> >> Dear Ishola Kabir,<br>
> >> I think the transfer of inter-RIR does not benefit AFRINIC for<br>
> the simple<br>
> >> reason that AFRINIC's resources are not enough for its region.<br>
> >><br>
> >> Regard,<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >> Pascal Heriliva ANDRIANISA<br>
> >> Webmaster i RENALA<br>
> >> R esearch and E ducation N etwork for A cademic and L earning A<br>
> ctivities<br>
> >> - [ <a href="http://www.irenala.edu.mg/" target="_blank">
http://www.irenala.edu.mg/</a> | <a href="http://www.irenala.edu.mg/" target="_blank">
http://www.irenala.edu.mg/</a> ]<br>
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> >> Scientifique - Fiadanana<br>
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> >><br>
> >><br>
> >> De: "ishola kabir" <<a href="mailto:isholakabir@gmail.com" target="_blank">isholakabir@gmail.com</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:isholakabir@gmail.com" target="_blank">isholakabir@gmail.com</a>>><br>
> >> ?: <a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br>
> >> Envoy?: Lundi 17 Juin 2019 17:17:58<br>
> >> Objet: Re: [rpd] IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer.<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >> I stand to support the policy on proposal of IPV4 inter-RIR legacy<br>
> >> resources transfer.<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >> We're running out of IPV4 resources and the Regional Internet<br>
> Registries<br>
> >> (RIRs) have started to run out of of IPV4 resources as well. IPv4<br>
> inter-RIR<br>
> >> legacy resources from and to other regions will offer a realistic<br>
> solution<br>
> >> to the problem of reclaiming the significant amount of unused IPV4<br>
> >> resources and allocating them to their most efficient users. The<br>
> transfer<br>
> >> will be subject to the need to main route aggregation and allow<br>
> resources<br>
> >> not in used in one region to be transferred to a region where it<br>
> is needed.<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >> Preventing IPv4 Inter-RIR Legacy Resource Transfers would only<br>
> push the<br>
> >> demand and supply pressures surrounding the scarcity of resources<br>
> into<br>
> >> different channel such as the holder of this unused resources will do<br>
> >> everything within their power for continued possession of this<br>
> resources<br>
> >> for purpose of black market, increase their value in an acquisition.<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >> Inter-RIR Legacy would definitely allows organization willing to<br>
> release<br>
> >> address resources to benefit monetarily by selling them to<br>
> another region<br>
> >> who wants them subject to the record keeping requirements and<br>
> regulation of<br>
> >> inter regional legacy instead of being hijacked or use without<br>
> >> authorization.<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >> It is very obvious that the risk associated with this will be<br>
> very small<br>
> >> when compare to the potential benefit and this will also reinforce<br>
> >> effectiveness of the inter Regional Internet Address Registries<br>
> in global<br>
> >> internet governance.<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >> _______________________________________________<br>
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> >> <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd" target="_blank">
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> >> Message: 3<br>
> >> Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 09:19:24 +0200<br>
> >> From: Mark Elkins <<a href="mailto:mje@posix.co.za" target="_blank">mje@posix.co.za</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:mje@posix.co.za" target="_blank">mje@posix.co.za</a>>><br>
> >> To: <a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br>
> >> Subject: Re: [rpd] IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer.<br>
> >> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:e927753c-91b9-364f-ba24-22613d8fc362@posix.co.za" target="_blank">e927753c-91b9-364f-ba24-22613d8fc362@posix.co.za</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:e927753c-91b9-364f-ba24-22613d8fc362@posix.co.za" target="_blank">e927753c-91b9-364f-ba24-22613d8fc362@posix.co.za</a>>><br>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"<br>
> >><br>
> >> IPv4 resources were never enough for the world (Four-ish billion IP<br>
> >> addresses). That's why IPv6 was created. The other four RIR's have<br>
> >> basically run out of IPv4 - which to an extent has forced them to<br>
> adopt<br>
> >> IPv6. In a perverse way - its actually bad for Africa to NOT have run<br>
> >> out as we lazily continue to deploy IPv4 - last years technology as<br>
> >> such.. Better to move straight to IPv6 before we are too weighed<br>
> down by<br>
> >> the legacy restrictiveness of IPv4 addresses.<br>
> >><br>
> >> Also - the Transfer Policy would generally need to be<br>
> bidirectional so<br>
> >> that other RIR regions will allow the transfer of IPv4 resources into<br>
> >> Africa - that is, play on an equal footing - if indeed some of the<br>
> >> larger African ISP's need to acquire more IPv4 addresses.<br>
> >><br>
> >> If an African LIR/ISP does sell IPv4 resources to another region then<br>
> >> the capitol will probably be used to expand that LIR's business -<br>
> >> presumably in an IPv6 direction - which would be beneficial to that<br>
> >> LIR's customers and to an extent, the rest of our community.<br>
> >><br>
> >> Just think, for the first time ever, we get to dump old<br>
> technology onto<br>
> >> "developed" countries rather than the other way around.<br>
> >><br>
> >> On 2019/06/18 08:05, Pascal ANDRIANISA wrote:<br>
> >> > Dear Ishola Kabir, I think the transfer of inter-RIR does not<br>
> benefit<br>
> >> > AFRINIC for the simple reason that AFRINIC's resources are not<br>
> enough<br>
> >> > for its region. Regard,<br>
> >> ><br>
> >> > *Pascal* Heriliva ANDRIANISA<br>
> >> > Webmaster i RENALA<br>
> >> > *R*esearch and *E*ducation *N*etwork for *A*cademic and *L*earning<br>
> >> > *A*ctivities - <a href="http://www.irenala.edu.mg/" target="_blank">
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> >> > Porte 201 - Minist?re de l'Enseignement Sup?rieur et de la<br>
> Recherche<br>
> >> > Scientifique - Fiadanana_<br>
> >> > GSM :+261 (0) 32 46 680 29?? |??? +261 (0) 34 30 680 29_<br>
> >> ><br>
> >> ><br>
> >> ><br>
> >> ><br>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
> >> > *De: *"ishola kabir" <<a href="mailto:isholakabir@gmail.com" target="_blank">isholakabir@gmail.com</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:isholakabir@gmail.com" target="_blank">isholakabir@gmail.com</a>>><br>
> >> > *?: *<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br>
> >> > *Envoy?: *Lundi 17 Juin 2019 17:17:58<br>
> >> > *Objet: *Re: [rpd] IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer.<br>
> >> ><br>
> >> ><br>
> >> > I stand to support the policy on proposal of IPV4 inter-RIR legacy<br>
> >> > resources transfer.<br>
> >> ><br>
> >> > We're running out of IPV4 resources and the Regional Internet<br>
> >> > Registries (RIRs) have started to run out of of IPV4 resources as<br>
> >> > well. IPv4 inter-RIR legacy resources from and to other regions<br>
> will<br>
> >> > offer a realistic solution to the problem of reclaiming the<br>
> >> > significant amount of unused IPV4 resources and allocating them to<br>
> >> > their most efficient users. The transfer will be subject to the<br>
> need<br>
> >> > to main route aggregation and allow resources not in used in one<br>
> >> > region to be transferred to a region where it is needed.<br>
> >> ><br>
> >> > Preventing IPv4 Inter-RIR Legacy Resource Transfers would only push<br>
> >> > the demand ?and supply pressures surrounding the scarcity of<br>
> resources<br>
> >> > into different channel such as the holder of this unused resources<br>
> >> > will do everything within their power for continued possession<br>
> of this<br>
> >> > resources for purpose of black market, increase their value in an<br>
> >> > acquisition.<br>
> >> ><br>
> >> > Inter-RIR Legacy would definitely allows organization willing to<br>
> >> > release address resources to benefit monetarily by selling them to<br>
> >> > another region who wants them subject to the record keeping<br>
> >> > requirements and regulation of inter regional legacy instead of<br>
> being<br>
> >> > hijacked or use without authorization.<br>
> >> ><br>
> >> > It is very obvious that the risk associated with this will be very<br>
> >> > small when compare to the potential benefit and this will also<br>
> >> > reinforce effectiveness of the inter Regional Internet Address<br>
> >> > Registries in global internet governance.<br>
> >> ><br>
> >> ><br>
> >> ><br>
> >> ><br>
> >> ><br>
> >> ><br>
> >> ><br>
> >> ><br>
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