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--></style></head><body lang=ES link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Hi Noah,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Responding in-line.</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>El 17/6/19 1:02, "Noah" <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz">noah@neo.co.tz</a>> escribió:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>On Sun, 16 Jun 2019, 20:09 JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD, <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Thanks Mark,<br><br>Short explanation about why I submitted two policy proposals for the same problem:<br><br>1) I know some folks in the region (it happened as well in other regions), are afraid of IPv4 addresses scaping "out" of the region with this kind of policy proposal.<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Its not about being afraid. That is what will happen.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>Please, wait for my presentation and then you can tell me that again. Is a matter of facts.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US><br></span>2) In my presentation I will try to demonstrate, and hopefully convince the participants, that this is not the case and that this policy proposal is clearly beneficial (and needed) for the region.<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Will you be able to demonstrate the availability of reasonable space outside of our region from regions which ran out of space centuries ago.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Yes.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><br>So, as you say, 2019-v4-001-d1, may be a possible interim if I'm not good enough selling my arguments.<br><br>However, definitively, I think the right direction is 2019-v4-002-d1.<br><br>The way both policy proposals are written allows the community to have two choices, and even people to support both of them, so we can make some progress in any case.<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>We have an existing intra-rir policy already.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>If a region runs out of space, how come do you expect the same region to be able to transfer space internally? Of course, it may happen, but not to cover *<b>all</b>* the needs, because Internet in AFRICA keeps growing, and unfortunately, IPv6 deployment not.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>We shall explore that before even attempting to introduce other transfer policies that would open room for abuse.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>I don’t understand your point here. What needs to be explored if that policy is already in place?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>No support from me.....<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><br>Regards,<br>Jordi<br>@jordipalet<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><br><br><br>El 16/6/19 17:31, "Mark Elkins" <<a href="mailto:mje@posix.co.za" target="_blank">mje@posix.co.za</a>> escribió:<br><br><br> On 2019/06/15 12:23, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD wrote:<br> > Hi all,<br> ><br> > I wonder if anyone has inputs on the policy proposals for IPv4 Inter-RIR transfers.<br> ><br> > <a href="https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2019-v4-001-d1" target="_blank">https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2019-v4-001-d1</a><br> We need an Inter-RIR transfer policy. This would be a great step in the <br> right direction.<br> I support this Policy - even as an interim until 2019-v4-002 is passed.<br> ><br> > and<br> ><br> > <a href="https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2019-v4-002-d1" target="_blank">https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2019-v4-002-d1</a><br><br> This is what we really need - a full and complete transfer policy. <br> Please people - get behind this. I support it<br><br><br> ><br> > I will be presenting both of them together on Wednesday 19th. If you're not in Kampala, make sure to participate remotely (<a href="https://www.internetsummit.africa/en/participate-remotely" target="_blank">https://www.internetsummit.africa/en/participate-remotely</a>), so we can resolve any doubts on the spot.<br> ><br> > This is a key issue for AFRINIC, which now is the *only* RIR not allowing those transfers.<br> ><br> > AFRINIC is soon (probably around end of this year) entering in exhaustion phase 2, so it will become more and more difficult to obtain IPv4. 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