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--></style></head><body lang=ES link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES-TRAD style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Hi Owen,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES-TRAD style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Let’s state this again. The proposal doesn’t intent to say the operators how to operate their routers.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>The proposal simply states that if an AFRINIC member is granted with uniqueness, as you stated below, other members can’t jump over that.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>The resources are for exclusive use of the members that got them allocated, under the prescriptions of our rules (the policies). If I’m AFRINIC member, I can’t use other members resources (unless explicitly authorized to by the resource holder).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>This is a very basic rule of ANY membership organization: Respect the other members and whatever products/rights/services are provided to them. Members not respecting other members at a minimum should be warned about that, and if they persist, there must be consequences.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>The decision to use a RIR or another is not voluntary, is the only possible way. You must use the registry of your region (small differences here among regions that require or not using the resources in that region).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Even if only a few hijacking is done by RIR members, and we can avoid that, the result will be good enough.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'><br>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Jordi<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>El 26/5/19 17:59, "Owen DeLong" <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com">owen@delong.com</a>> escribió:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>As I’ve stated in the other regions where the same authors have floated this, there are a number of fundamental errors in the understanding of the role of the RIR system underlying this proposal. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>It is apparently a common misconception that RIRs have some authority to grant “rights to use” number resources. That’s an easy mistake to make because the distinction is subtle, but in this context it becomes important. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>The registry system grants registration for uniqueness. Any right to use is granted not by the registry system, but by those who initiate, accept, and reannounce prefixes in routers. Thus, it is ISPs who control the right to use and not the registry. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Fortunately, and to the tremendous benefit of all, the vast majority of ISPs choose to use the data in the RIR registry system as authoritative and base their grants of rights on it. This allows for a much more functional internet than if they each used competing and overlapping registry systems. However, the decision to use the RIR registry system is entirely voluntary on the part of each network operator. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>The vast majority of resource hijacking in the wild is not committed by RIR members. There seems to be some exception to this in the RIPE region. As such, this policy proposal is unlikely to impact the perpetrators and far more likely to harm the victims it purports to protect. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>I have tremendous respect for the authors and no doubt whatsoever that they mean well. However, the misconceptions underlying this policy prevent it from having any useful outcome. I would rate it risky, but possibly mostly harmless at best. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Therefore, I do not support the proposal. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Owen<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt'><br>On May 26, 2019, at 07:48, haruna adoga <<a href="mailto:hartek66@gmail.com">hartek66@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=gmail-p1 style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:35.4pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'>I must start by saying the authors of this proposal have done a great job, considering the negative effect of resource (IPv4, IPv6, ASN) hijacking to our region.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=gmail-p2 style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:35.4pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;min-height:14px'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=gmail-p1 style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:35.4pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'>I do believe that since operational errors such as mistakes in BGP configurations can lead to what might be perceived as a resource hijacking activity (policy violation), it is ideal that this proposal gives the suspected resource hijacker a reasonable<span class=gmail-apple-converted-space> </span>amount of time to explain their actions.<span class=gmail-apple-converted-space> </span><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=gmail-p2 style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:35.4pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;min-height:14px'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=gmail-p1 style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:35.4pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'>The duration can be deliberated by the policy authors and other members. The suspected hijacker should be given a maximum of 6 weeks rather that 4 weeks to object any conclusions, as proposed by the authors.<span class=gmail-apple-converted-space> </span><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=gmail-p2 style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:35.4pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;min-height:14px'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=gmail-p1 style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:35.4pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'>This will further clarify if the activity is an act of persistent intentional hijack or an operational error.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>_______________________________________________<br>RPD mailing list<br><a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net">RPD@afrinic.net</a><br><a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>_______________________________________________ RPD mailing list RPD@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd <o:p></o:p></p></div><br>**********************************************<br>
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