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--></style></head><body lang=ES link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES-TRAD style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Hi Arnaud,</span><span lang=ES-TRAD style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES-TRAD style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>El 25/5/19 14:57, "Arnaud AMELINA" <<a href="mailto:amelnaud@gmail.com">amelnaud@gmail.com</a>> escribió:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Hi Jordi<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Le mer. 22 mai 2019 à 13:50, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <<a href="mailto:jordi.palet@consulintel.es">jordi.palet@consulintel.es</a>> a écrit :<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Hi Komi, all,<br><br><br> Many got lost and confused easily in the unmoderated flow of mails.<br><br>Big disagreement here. A PDP, by definition is an open and NOT MODERATED PROCESS AT ALL. It must be dynamic, and if some people don't participate, is not good, but that should not preclude the moderation of those that actually participate.<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Can we be more serious in these discussions about the PDP with less contradictions and inconsistencies?<br>What argument are you really making with the statement above?<br><br><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>I don’t see the contradiction here, unless I said something broken, not being native English. What I’m saying is that the PDP and the corresponding list MUST NOT be moderated at all. I will love everyone participating, and that must be the goal. A more complex PDP process doesn’t facilitate an increase of participation. Whatever we do MUST NOT add difficulties or complexities to those that already participate, or we may lose them.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US><br>PDP is not an IGF, but an open, transparent decision making forum with a clear process.<br><br></span>The AFRINIC PDP uses a Working Group as it is expected to study, discuss, design and implement through policies, solutions for a proper management of the INRs in the service region.<br>And such working group requires appropriate moderation.<br><br>Moderation of a working group mailing list must be understood as defined in BCP25, section 6.1<br>***<br> Moderate the WG email list<br><br>The Chair should attempt to ensure that the discussions on the list are relevant and that they converge to consensus agreements. The Chair should make sure that discussions on the list are summarized and that the outcome is well documented (to avoid repetition). ...........<br>***<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>[...]<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>I’m sorry but I disagree with the term “moderation” used in BCP25 for the PDP.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>When you say “moderation” *<b>unless</b>* you explicitly CITE BCP25, section 6.1, 99% of the community will understand a different thing. I believe also that you aren’t reading correctly BCP25 for two reasons:<o:p></o:p></span></p><ol style='margin-top:0cm' start=1 type=1><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>The IETF process is only “on-list”.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>The IETF usage of moderation is subjected to other timing, possible virtual meetings, etc.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>I agree that the chairs should make sure that the discussions are on topic and polite, and I think that’s not what the people usually understands as moderation. Moderate a list is to allow each email to be sent or not to the list, in the context that it was said by Komi “</span><span lang=EN-US>Many got lost and confused easily in the unmoderated flow of mails</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>”.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US><br>Please, realize that if I send an email to a given policy authors in November, it should not be needed that I resend the email 6 months after to get responses. </span>If you volunteer to author a proposal, you commit to advance it according to the community discussion and respond timely to emails. This is not necessarily true for community participants, they can decide NOT to respond to authors emails.<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>[...] <o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt'><br>Of course, but both things are compatible. I usually don't expect that a 1st version of a policy proposal is right, but if you don't keep improving it along new version, it will not happen.<br><br> > <br> > Please, lead this process to conclusion.<br> > <br> > Thank you.<br> > <br> > On behalf of PDP-BIS Authors<br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Arnaud <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><br>**********************************************<br>
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