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--></style></head><body lang=ES link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES-TRAD style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Hi Daniel,</span><span lang=ES-TRAD style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES-TRAD style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>El 16/5/19 10:43, "Daniel Yakmut via RPD" <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> escribió:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>My point, if the Afrinic RSA has obervable shortcomings, then that is what we should address.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>Then we should restate the problem statement.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US>At the point of obtaining a resource the RSA is the first and main document that the LIR/user gets in contact with, so it should be robust and fairly adequate to guide the person on knowing what and what not s/he should handle the resource. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>Let’s clearly define what are we missing in the RSA.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>Is it that AFRINIC must review policy compliance when there is a suspect of violation?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>This doesn’t require “regular or random reviews”. Community in case of suspected cases can always provide the relevant info to the staff and they can also do a review.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Therefore, as we make comparisons, we should do that with the intend of improving our situation.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Simply<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Daniel <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>On Thu, May 16, 2019, 9:15 AM Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com">owen@delong.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>On May 16, 2019, at 00:53 , Noah <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" target="_blank">noah@neo.co.tz</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 10:14 AM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <<a href="mailto:jordi.palet@consulintel.es" target="_blank">jordi.palet@consulintel.es</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>And for that, a new policy was not needed.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Ok, lets just "<b>assume</b>" that you don't need policy to address fraud. Then what is the purpose of section 12 of the ARIN (Number Resource Policy Manual) [1] ? <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Section 12 was written to place limits on exactly what and how ARIN could conduct resource reviews against organizations in the ARIN region.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>ARIN had virtually unlimited authority to do so prior to implementing section 12.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Notice that NRPM12 differs from the proposal under discussion here in a number of significant ways:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>In no particular order, here are 5 of the most significant differences:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>1.<span class=m5987034428274591083apple-tab-span> </span>The legal environment is very different<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>2.<span class=m5987034428274591083apple-tab-span> </span>The RSA is significantly different<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>3.<span class=m5987034428274591083apple-tab-span> </span>NRPM 12 does not require ARIN to make random audits<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>4.<span class=m5987034428274591083apple-tab-span> </span>NRPM 12 does not require ARIN to take action on complaints or to judge the voracity of complaints<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>and go after organizations where ARIN cannot prove a lack of voracity.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>5.<span class=m5987034428274591083apple-tab-span> </span>NRPM 12 gives ARIN staff significantly more discretion to be merciful in such reviews.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Ooooh and If a member agreement is sufficient, then why is fraud addressed in ARIN number resource policy?<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>It isn’t really. You are thinking that NRPM creates the authority for ARIN to audit. In reality, NRPM 12 was passed in order to limit ARIN’s authority and prevent abuse.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>And lastly, If I may ask, how would you compare the AfriNIC RSA against the ARIN RSA?<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>I wouldn’t. They are quite different documents operating in very different legal traditions and legal environments. I will leave any such attempt at comparison to the lawyers. I have no interest in it.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Owen<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>_______________________________________________<br>RPD mailing list<br><a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net" target="_blank">RPD@afrinic.net</a><br><a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>_______________________________________________ RPD mailing list RPD@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd <o:p></o:p></p></div><br>**********************************************<br>
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