<div dir="ltr"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Hi Proponents of Review Policy,</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">It seems to me that the opponents of the review have trapped
you with the FAKE ISSUE OF THE USERS being disconnected and you are following
them. WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Are we suggesting that for the sake of the users, AFRINIC
community should allow the crooks to keep the resources acquired
fraudulently from AFRINIC? How long does it take to switch to another IPS when one
goes down? Don’t we have in our countries laws to deal with an IPS if he fails
to go according to a signed SLA? Let us stop discussion and rather be <span style="font-size:14.6667px">tough on them.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">These opponents of the review policy think that members of
this community have no sense of rationality and therefore want to create haven
for the crooks so that they can enjoy here. Unfortunately, my few brothers
Nigerian on this mailing list are following them just to benefit a sponsorship
to AIS of AFRINIC meeting.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">PROPONENTS OF THIS POLICY WAKE UP AND FIGHT THEM!!!!!!!!!</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Courage</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Benjiloh</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> </p></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 10:00 AM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="ES"><div class="gmail-m_6263182428804986532WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="ES-TRAD" style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="ES-TRAD" style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">El 16/5/19 11:15, "Noah" <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" target="_blank">noah@neo.co.tz</a>> escribió:<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 11:46 AM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <<a href="mailto:jordi.palet@consulintel.es" target="_blank">jordi.palet@consulintel.es</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES-TRAD" style="font-size:12pt">Hi Noah,</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES-TRAD" style="font-size:12pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">El 16/5/19 10:36, "Noah" <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" target="_blank">noah@neo.co.tz</a>> escribió:<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"> <u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 11:16 AM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <<a href="mailto:jordi.palet@consulintel.es" target="_blank">jordi.palet@consulintel.es</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="border-top:none currentcolor;border-right:none currentcolor;border-bottom:none currentcolor;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin:5pt 0cm 5pt 4.8pt"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt">I said “new” policy. This was written long time ago, not doing random audits. The overall goal is to review when there is a reason to believe that something is wrong.</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div></blockquote><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">Yes you said new policy hence my question to you Jordi, considering the fact you are an active policy proposer of various new policy which stem from issues you seem to always identify and see the need to fix.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt">Not sure what is the question, but let me express this:</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt">In general, I would only propose a policy if there is something really “wrong” or “broken” in existing policies or legal documents. In all the RIRs there is a lack of participation from the community, having more policies will not help (on the other way around). So, if a policy is not really needed, I will prefer not to submit it.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt">I don’t think this is not fixed already in AFRINIC, that’s why I think this proposal is not needed.</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">On the other hand, the policy authors and supporters of the proposal think otherwise. <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt">I see that, but I don’t see an ample community support, and instead a wide opposition.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><blockquote style="border-top:none currentcolor;border-right:none currentcolor;border-bottom:none currentcolor;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><div><div><div><div><blockquote style="border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid windowtext;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin:5pt 0cm 5pt 4.8pt"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"> </span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt">All the RIRs can actually do that, even if there is not a policy. Membership agreement, service agreement, and sometimes other policies, already detail it. </span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div></blockquote><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">Looks like only ARIN is willing too....maybe other RIR can pick some lessons.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt">All the RIRs do that. However, I don’t think they publicly will provide all the information of each case.</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Wouldn't it be better to be transparent with such cases like in the case of ARIN.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt">Fully agree.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt">The specific point about the recent new from this ARIN case is the “size” of it. There are plenty of investigations and recoveries in every RIR, they aren’t publicly presented. A big “case” captures press attention as well.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><blockquote style="border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"> </span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt">Maybe we can ask AFRINIC staff, without disclosing confidential info, how many recovery cases have been investigated in the last few years.</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">What I know is AfriNIC does publish only recovery records of member closures as per below link. <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><a href="https://afrinic.net/stats/closures" target="_blank">https://afrinic.net/stats/closures</a><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt">I think it clearly demonstrates that AFRINIC is doing his job.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">So maybe we should indeed request AfriNIC to inform if there has ever been any other recoveries beyond closure.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt">My guess, but it will be good to get a staff response, is that those are distributed already among the reclaimed and the voluntary cases. If AFRINIC founds a fraud, it can:<u></u><u></u></span></p><ol style="margin-top:0cm" start="1" type="1"><li class="gmail-m_6263182428804986532MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt">Ask the voluntary return of the non-justified resources.<u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="gmail-m_6263182428804986532MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt">If the member doesn’t voluntarily return them, reclaim them and close the member.<u></u><u></u></span></li></ol></div><blockquote style="border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"> </span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><blockquote style="border-top:none currentcolor;border-right:none currentcolor;border-bottom:none currentcolor;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin:5pt 0cm 5pt 4.8pt"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt">The point is how much power and cost this policy brings.</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div></blockquote><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">There has been ongoing discussions among the working group to continue improving the said policy.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt">And that’s the problem, the policy is discussing about a level of problem that is very expensive for both AFRINIC and the community, without a real reason for it.</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">The issue of the process being expensive can be left to AfriNIC to determine imho. <u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt">We need to see the impact analysis on this point.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div></div></div></div><br>**********************************************<br>
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