<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Preserving the status quo which is quite functional, IMHO, is not the same as “doing nothing”.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Owen</div><div class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On May 15, 2019, at 7:28 AM, Noah <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" class="">noah@neo.co.tz</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="">Hi,<br class=""></div><div dir="ltr" class=""><br class="">I can see good and
very interesting discussions going on around the review proposal about each
parties role and responsibilities in managing Internet Number Resources
and using them to build a healthy and safe Internet. This is a great
discussion we are having, as it goes to educates many and remind us our roles.<br class=""><br class="">Improving accountability and responsively enforcing our principles seem rather important. Doing nothing will not help either.</div><div dir="ltr" class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">My 2cents......</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Cheers,</div>Noah</div></div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 5:19 AM Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" target="_blank" class="">owen@delong.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="">Attn: Marcus<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Please note the considerations by ARIN regarding this recent fraudster and the lengths to which ARIN is going to avoid unnecessary harm to downstream customers to the extent possible.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Owen</div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">Begin forwarded message:</div><br class="gmail-m_6431703719536877924gmail-m_752073567930930642Apple-interchange-newline"><div style="margin:0px" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">From: </b></span><span style="font-family:-webkit-system-font,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,sans-serif" class="">John Curran <<a href="mailto:jcurran@arin.net" target="_blank" class="">jcurran@arin.net</a>><br class=""></span></div><div style="margin:0px" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">Subject: </b></span><span style="font-family:-webkit-system-font,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,sans-serif" class=""><b class="">Re: [arin-ppml] Micfo</b><br class=""></span></div><div style="margin:0px" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">Date: </b></span><span style="font-family:-webkit-system-font,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,sans-serif" class="">May 14, 2019 at 15:00:44 PDT<br class=""></span></div><div style="margin:0px" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">To: </b></span><span style="font-family:-webkit-system-font,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,sans-serif" class="">"Ronald F. Guilmette" <<a href="mailto:rfg@tristatelogic.com" target="_blank" class="">rfg@tristatelogic.com</a>><br class=""></span></div><div style="margin:0px" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">Cc: </b></span><span style="font-family:-webkit-system-font,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,sans-serif" class="">"<a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net" target="_blank" class="">arin-ppml@arin.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net" target="_blank" class="">arin-ppml@arin.net</a>><br class=""></span></div><br class=""><div class=""><div class="">Ronald - <br class=""><br class="">ARIN will take action to correct issuance of resources against requests determined to be fraudulent - but that does not preclude valid requests from the same entities, with properly issued resources being used to serve customers (many of which are likely to have done nothing wrong.)<br class=""><br class="">I would recommend careful consideration of any policy that starts assigning labels to entities and requires unilateral revocation based on those same labels – both because of the potential for harm to innocent parties, and the potential for abuse (ie speculative fraud reports against a competitors becomes a potential weapon.)<br class=""><br class="">Thanks!<br class="">/John<br class=""><br class="">John Curran<br class="">President and CEO<br class="">American Registry for Internet Numbers<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">On May 14, 2019, at 5:36 PM, Ronald F. Guilmette <<a href="mailto:rfg@tristatelogic.com" target="_blank" class="">rfg@tristatelogic.com</a>> wrote:<br class="">...<br class="">Don't get me wrong. I am breaking out the champagne over ARIN's victory<br class="">here, but it is somewhat of a pyrrhic one if this shchmuck is still going<br class="">to be allowed to operate on the Internet, from ANRI-issued space, alongside<br class="">respectable people and companies.<br class=""></blockquote>_______________________________________________<br class="">ARIN-PPML<br class="">You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to<br class="">the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (<a href="mailto:ARIN-PPML@arin.net" target="_blank" class="">ARIN-PPML@arin.net</a>).<br class="">Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at:<br class=""><a href="https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml" target="_blank" class="">https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml</a><br class="">Please contact <a href="mailto:info@arin.net" target="_blank" class="">info@arin.net</a> if you experience any issues.<br class=""></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></div>_______________________________________________<br class="">
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