<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On May 2, 2019, at 13:21 , Arnaud AMELINA <<a href="mailto:amelnaud@gmail.com" class="">amelnaud@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="">Owen see in line ...<br class=""></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le lun. 29 avr. 2019 à 05:57, Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" target="_blank" class="">owen@delong.com</a>> a écrit :<br class=""></div><div class="">[.....] <br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class=""><div class=""><span class="m_-2420755316247493971gmail-m_7910523303051728937m_962685655339986626m_3229832248786967562gmail-m_-2740474882150224374Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>+<span class="m_-2420755316247493971gmail-m_7910523303051728937m_962685655339986626m_3229832248786967562gmail-m_-2740474882150224374Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>The proposal is unnecessary as the useful portions are already enshrined in existing policy</div><div class=""><span class="m_-2420755316247493971gmail-m_7910523303051728937m_962685655339986626m_3229832248786967562gmail-m_-2740474882150224374Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>and the RSA.</div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div dir="auto" class="">Hummmm ! Can you please point to these documents and sections ?</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div>I’ve already pointed to the documents… They are the consolidated policy manual and the registration services agreement.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The policy manual provides several provisions about how number resources are allocated and to be used within the AfriNIC</div><div class="">region. These are distributed throughout the policy manual.</div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I thought we were looking for reference in the policy manual about how
to review usage of the allocated ressources and not how ressources are
allocated and supposed to used.</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>Those are necessary in order to operationalize the text found in the RSA which authorizes the review. You can’t take one without the other. Context is key.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>The whole is different from the individual parts.</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class=""><div class="">The ability for AfriNIC to verify compliance and to rescind resources in a case of fraudulent representations or other violations</div><div class="">of AfriNIC policy by the resource holder is enshrined in the RSA. </div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div dir="auto" class="">We agreed on this long ago: "AFRINIC reserved right to review and members obligation to cooperate." ... and working here on community consensus approach to such reviews and avoid the diktat of Staff.</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>For clarity, should diktat be dictate or is it some term with which I am unfamiliar?</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Well… IMHO, that combined with the other information above and below renders this policy redundant and unnecessary. You are free to disagree.</div><div> <br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class=""><div class="">Unfortunately, I’m having trouble finding the RSA on the</div><div class="">AfriNIC web site. Searches for RSA and Registration Services Agreement do not turn up the actual RSA for reasons passing</div><div class="">understanding (perhaps someone from staff will be kind enough to fix this).</div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div dir="auto" class="">I thought you read the RSA several times before pointing to it and knew where to find it</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>I have read the RSA several times before. It was provided to me in PDF form by individuals who were requesting that I review specific provisions</div><div>for them. Even if I had found it on the website before, nothing guarantees that either:</div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>1.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>It would still be in the same place</div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>2.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>I’d remember how to get to it.</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div class=""> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I did finally find it following some links related to becoming a resource member here:</div><div class=""><a href="https://afrinic.net/membership/agreements#rsa" target="_blank" class="">https://afrinic.net/membership/agreements#rsa</a></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">When you found it, quote it faithfully and don't change the meaning of some sections to match what you have in mind.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>I have not changed meaning of anything.</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div class=""> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Relevant sections are:</div><div class=""><span class="m_-2420755316247493971gmail-m_7910523303051728937Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>1.(a).(v)</div><div class=""><span class="m_-2420755316247493971gmail-m_7910523303051728937Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>1.(b)</div><div class=""><span class="m_-2420755316247493971gmail-m_7910523303051728937Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>1.(c)</div><div class=""><span class="m_-2420755316247493971gmail-m_7910523303051728937Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>2.(b)</div><div class=""><span class="m_-2420755316247493971gmail-m_7910523303051728937Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>2.(d)</div><div class=""><span class="m_-2420755316247493971gmail-m_7910523303051728937Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>2.(e)</div><div class=""><span class="m_-2420755316247493971gmail-m_7910523303051728937Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>2.(f)</div><div class=""><span class="m_-2420755316247493971gmail-m_7910523303051728937Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>2.(g)</div><div class=""><span class="m_-2420755316247493971gmail-m_7910523303051728937Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>3. in its entirety</div><div class=""><span class="m_-2420755316247493971gmail-m_7910523303051728937Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>4.(b)</div><div class=""><span class="m_-2420755316247493971gmail-m_7910523303051728937Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>4.(c)</div><div class=""><span class="m_-2420755316247493971gmail-m_7910523303051728937Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>6.(a)</div><div class=""><span class="m_-2420755316247493971gmail-m_7910523303051728937Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>6.(b)</div><div class=""><span class="m_-2420755316247493971gmail-m_7910523303051728937Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>6.(c)</div><div class=""><span class="m_-2420755316247493971gmail-m_7910523303051728937Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>6.(d)</div><div class=""><span class="m_-2420755316247493971gmail-m_7910523303051728937Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>7 in its entirety</div><div class=""><span class="m_-2420755316247493971gmail-m_7910523303051728937Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>11.(d).(iii) et. seq.</div><div class=""><span class="m_-2420755316247493971gmail-m_7910523303051728937Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>11.(e)</div><div class=""><span class="m_-2420755316247493971gmail-m_7910523303051728937Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>13 in its entirety</div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Nothing new here. All of these are well known and discussed before. The
problem statement of the proposal mentioned section 4 of the RSA “</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>You asked me to state which sections are relevant to resource review and I have done that.</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class=""><div class="">Of those, the most important and most directly related sections are:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span class="m_-2420755316247493971gmail-m_7910523303051728937Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>1.(b) (the power of AfriNIC to amend policies)</div><div class=""><span class="m_-2420755316247493971gmail-m_7910523303051728937Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>2.(b) (accurate information required in application)</div><div class=""><span class="m_-2420755316247493971gmail-m_7910523303051728937Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>2.(d) (requirement to keep supplied information current)</div><div class=""><span class="m_-2420755316247493971gmail-m_7910523303051728937Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>2.(f) (requirement to provide relevant information online)</div><div class=""><span class="m_-2420755316247493971gmail-m_7910523303051728937Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>2.(g) (requirement to maintain accurate contact information on file)</div><div class=""><span class="m_-2420755316247493971gmail-m_7910523303051728937Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>3.(a) (applicant accepts subjugation to AfriNIC policies)</div><div class=""><span class="m_-2420755316247493971gmail-m_7910523303051728937Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>3.(b) (applicant accepts subjugation to AfriNIC internal business process and policies)</div><div class=""><span class="m_-2420755316247493971gmail-m_7910523303051728937Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>4.(b) (applicants obligation to cooperate)</div><div class=""><span class="m_-2420755316247493971gmail-m_7910523303051728937Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Specifically 4.(b).(ii) Applicants obligation to cooperate with AfriNIC investigation reviewing applicant’s utilization. (mis-spelled in the RSA as utiliSation, btw)</div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div dir="auto" class="">How important is this for the current discussions? you want to have some discussions on "utilisation" vs "utilization" ? <b class="">This is another exemple of your failure to accept other views.</b></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>I wasn’t aware that there was controversy or alternative views on the correct spelling of utilization. If you are telling me that utilisation [sic] is a correct spelling, then I apologize and gladly accept your view in this context.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>It’s not important to the current discussion at all. Merely something I noticed along the way and noted in an effort to allow the RSA to be improved. If you do not report a problem, you can hardly expect the problem to be fixed.</div><div> <br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class=""><div class=""><span class="m_-2420755316247493971gmail-m_7910523303051728937Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span> 4.(c).(i) and (ii) (commitment to use services sold for purpose requested and commitment to full and unreserved compliance with policies, respectively)</div><div class=""><span class="m_-2420755316247493971gmail-m_7910523303051728937Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>4.(c).(iii) AfriNIC’s right to investigate or cause to be investigated the applicant’s use of services by appropriate and competent authority(ies).</div><div class=""><span class="m_-2420755316247493971gmail-m_7910523303051728937Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>— In this context, I believe AfriNIC itself constitutes an appropriate and competent authority.</div></div></blockquote><div class=""><b class=""><br class=""></b></div><div class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><b class="">Where did you get the "service sold" from ?</b> </div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>I believe that’s overzealous autocorrect of a different typo on my part. I apologize for the error, there was no malice. I agree the correct word is solely.</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div class=""><div dir="auto" class="">The exact is as follow </div><div dir="auto" class="">" (i) Commits itself to using the services <b class="">solely</b> for the purpose for which it was requested."</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">RIRs and AFRINIC in particular has never sold services. </div><div dir="auto" class=""><b class="">You seem to purse the same agenda as your contractor .</b></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>No, I never meant to claim RIRs sold resources. It was a typographical error complicated by autocorrect. Nothing more, nothing less.</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div class=""> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">There’s nothing useful in this policy that isn’t already provided for in the above referenced sections of the RSA and the existing number resource policies.</div></div></blockquote><div class=""> [.....]</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class=""><div class=""></div><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class=""><div class=""></div><div class="">Most, if not all of these problems have been reported previously. It’s likely there are other problems remaining as well,</div><div class="">but the above is based on a fresh review of the text below.</div></div></blockquote><br class=""></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><div class="">[.....]</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Arnaud <br class="">On behalf of the authors <br class=""></div></div></div>
</blockquote><br class=""></div><div>So I notice you have no reply beyond criticizing my typo after criticizing my reporting of the typo in the RSA. Very interesting indeed.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Owen</div><div><br class=""></div><br class=""></body></html>