<div dir="ltr"><div>Owen see in line ...<br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le lun. 29 avr. 2019 à 05:57, Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" target="_blank">owen@delong.com</a>> a écrit :<br></div><div>[.....] <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><br><div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div><span class="m_-2420755316247493971gmail-m_7910523303051728937m_962685655339986626m_3229832248786967562gmail-m_-2740474882150224374Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>+<span class="m_-2420755316247493971gmail-m_7910523303051728937m_962685655339986626m_3229832248786967562gmail-m_-2740474882150224374Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>The proposal is unnecessary as the useful portions are already enshrined in existing policy</div><div><span class="m_-2420755316247493971gmail-m_7910523303051728937m_962685655339986626m_3229832248786967562gmail-m_-2740474882150224374Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>and the RSA.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div dir="auto">Hummmm ! Can you please point to these documents and sections ?</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>I’ve already pointed to the documents… They are the consolidated policy manual and the registration services agreement.</div><div><br></div><div>The policy manual provides several provisions about how number resources are allocated and to be used within the AfriNIC</div><div>region. These are distributed throughout the policy manual.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I thought we were looking for reference in the policy manual about how
to review usage of the allocated ressources and not how ressources are
allocated and supposed to used.</div><div> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div><br></div><div>The ability for AfriNIC to verify compliance and to rescind resources in a case of fraudulent representations or other violations</div><div>of AfriNIC policy by the resource holder is enshrined in the RSA. </div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div dir="auto">We agreed on this long ago: "AFRINIC reserved right to review and members obligation to cooperate." ... and working here on community consensus approach to such reviews and avoid the diktat of Staff.</div></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div>Unfortunately, I’m having trouble finding the RSA on the</div><div>AfriNIC web site. Searches for RSA and Registration Services Agreement do not turn up the actual RSA for reasons passing</div><div>understanding (perhaps someone from staff will be kind enough to fix this).</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div dir="auto">I thought you read the RSA several times before pointing to it and knew where to find it</div></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div><br></div><div>I did finally find it following some links related to becoming a resource member here:</div><div><a href="https://afrinic.net/membership/agreements#rsa" target="_blank">https://afrinic.net/membership/agreements#rsa</a></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>When you found it, quote it faithfully and don't change the meaning of some sections to match what you have in mind.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div><br></div><div>Relevant sections are:</div><div><span class="m_-2420755316247493971gmail-m_7910523303051728937Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>1.(a).(v)</div><div><span class="m_-2420755316247493971gmail-m_7910523303051728937Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>1.(b)</div><div><span class="m_-2420755316247493971gmail-m_7910523303051728937Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>1.(c)</div><div><span class="m_-2420755316247493971gmail-m_7910523303051728937Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>2.(b)</div><div><span class="m_-2420755316247493971gmail-m_7910523303051728937Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>2.(d)</div><div><span class="m_-2420755316247493971gmail-m_7910523303051728937Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>2.(e)</div><div><span class="m_-2420755316247493971gmail-m_7910523303051728937Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>2.(f)</div><div><span class="m_-2420755316247493971gmail-m_7910523303051728937Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>2.(g)</div><div><span class="m_-2420755316247493971gmail-m_7910523303051728937Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>3. in its entirety</div><div><span class="m_-2420755316247493971gmail-m_7910523303051728937Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>4.(b)</div><div><span class="m_-2420755316247493971gmail-m_7910523303051728937Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>4.(c)</div><div><span class="m_-2420755316247493971gmail-m_7910523303051728937Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>6.(a)</div><div><span class="m_-2420755316247493971gmail-m_7910523303051728937Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>6.(b)</div><div><span class="m_-2420755316247493971gmail-m_7910523303051728937Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>6.(c)</div><div><span class="m_-2420755316247493971gmail-m_7910523303051728937Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>6.(d)</div><div><span class="m_-2420755316247493971gmail-m_7910523303051728937Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>7 in its entirety</div><div><span class="m_-2420755316247493971gmail-m_7910523303051728937Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>11.(d).(iii) et. seq.</div><div><span class="m_-2420755316247493971gmail-m_7910523303051728937Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>11.(e)</div><div><span class="m_-2420755316247493971gmail-m_7910523303051728937Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>13 in its entirety</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Nothing new here. All of these are well known and discussed before. The
problem statement of the proposal mentioned section 4 of the RSA "</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Of those, the most important and most directly related sections are:</div><div><br></div><div><span class="m_-2420755316247493971gmail-m_7910523303051728937Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>1.(b) (the power of AfriNIC to amend policies)</div><div><span class="m_-2420755316247493971gmail-m_7910523303051728937Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>2.(b) (accurate information required in application)</div><div><span class="m_-2420755316247493971gmail-m_7910523303051728937Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>2.(d) (requirement to keep supplied information current)</div><div><span class="m_-2420755316247493971gmail-m_7910523303051728937Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>2.(f) (requirement to provide relevant information online)</div><div><span class="m_-2420755316247493971gmail-m_7910523303051728937Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>2.(g) (requirement to maintain accurate contact information on file)</div><div><span class="m_-2420755316247493971gmail-m_7910523303051728937Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>3.(a) (applicant accepts subjugation to AfriNIC policies)</div><div><span class="m_-2420755316247493971gmail-m_7910523303051728937Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>3.(b) (applicant accepts subjugation to AfriNIC internal business process and policies)</div><div><span class="m_-2420755316247493971gmail-m_7910523303051728937Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>4.(b) (applicants obligation to cooperate)</div><div><span class="m_-2420755316247493971gmail-m_7910523303051728937Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Specifically 4.(b).(ii) Applicants obligation to cooperate with AfriNIC investigation reviewing applicant’s utilization. (mis-spelled in the RSA as utiliSation, btw)</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div dir="auto">How important is this for the current discussions? you want to have some discussions on "utilisation" vs "utilization" ? <b>This is another exemple of your failure to accept other views.</b></div></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div><span class="m_-2420755316247493971gmail-m_7910523303051728937Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span> 4.(c).(i) and (ii) (commitment to use services sold for purpose requested and commitment to full and unreserved compliance with policies, respectively)</div><div><span class="m_-2420755316247493971gmail-m_7910523303051728937Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>4.(c).(iii) AfriNIC’s right to investigate or cause to be investigated the applicant’s use of services by appropriate and competent authority(ies).</div><div><span class="m_-2420755316247493971gmail-m_7910523303051728937Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>— In this context, I believe AfriNIC itself constitutes an appropriate and competent authority.</div></div></blockquote><div><b><br></b></div><div><div dir="auto"><b>Where did you get the "service sold" from ?</b> </div><div dir="auto">The exact is as follow </div><div dir="auto">" (i) Commits itself to using the services <b>solely</b> for the purpose for which it was requested."</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">RIRs and AFRINIC in particular has never sold services. </div><div dir="auto"><b>You seem to purse the same agenda as your contractor .</b></div></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div><br></div><div>There’s nothing useful in this policy that isn’t already provided for in the above referenced sections of the RSA and the existing number resource policies.</div></div></blockquote><div> [.....]</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div></div><div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div></div><div>Most, if not all of these problems have been reported previously. It’s likely there are other problems remaining as well,</div><div>but the above is based on a fresh review of the text below.</div></div></blockquote><br></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><div>[.....]</div><div><br></div><div>Arnaud <br>On behalf of the authors <br></div></div></div>