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--></style></head><body lang=ES link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES-TRAD style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'>Hi Owen,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES-TRAD style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I agree that it shouldn’t be necessary, but the co-chairs stated that the WGLC, according to RFC2418 is at the discretion of the WG chairs.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>V6ops has been this way at least the last few years.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>El 16/4/19 4:13, "Owen DeLong" <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com">owen@delong.com</a>> escribió:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>On Apr 15, 2019, at 08:53 , JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>Somehow, I agree with Andrew.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><a href="https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-v6ops-transition-ipv4aas/"><span lang=EN-US style='color:purple'>https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-v6ops-transition-ipv4aas/</span></a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>is already in the Editor Queue, so it is a matter of a few days or weeks that it will have an RFC number.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><a href="https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-v6ops-nat64-deployment/"><span lang=EN-US style='color:purple'>https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-v6ops-nat64-deployment/</span></a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>Is now in IETF v6ops Working Group Last Call, since last week. ***Nobody**** said this is good or bad (even if it is a Working Group document and that means that previously the WG adopted it) … same problem as we have here with policy proposals. It may even happen that because nobody goes to the v6ops mailing list to say “it is a good document” or “I’m missing this or that” or “correct this because it is wrong”, the document just dies. Unfortunate, but is the bad thing of “consensus” that not everybody speaks up, even if they may agree with something.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>This seems odd to me in the face of the IETF definition of “rough consensus” which focuses not on support, but on a lack of sustained opposition.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Owen<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>So, taking the opportunity … if you believe that<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><a href="https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-v6ops-nat64-deployment/"><span lang=EN-US style='color:purple'>https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-v6ops-nat64-deployment/</span></a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>Provides a good guidance for deploying NAT64/464XLAT, please, register at<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><a href="https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-v6ops-nat64-deployment/"><span lang=EN-US style='color:purple'>https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-v6ops-nat64-deployment/</span></a><span lang=EN-US>, and say that you support that document.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US>Here is the relevant email:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><a href="https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/v6ops/h-c-v936g56uWcaB3dndFnouPt8"><span lang=EN-US style='color:purple'>https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/v6ops/h-c-v936g56uWcaB3dndFnouPt8</span></a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.5pt'><br>Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.5pt'>Jordi</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.5pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>El 15/4/19 17:40, "Andrew Alston" <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com"><span style='color:purple'>Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</span></a>> escribió:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US>Willy,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US>Heh – at the speed the IETF works – if you wait for formal RFC’s these days – you’ll be waiting a hell of a long time.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US>TACACS – which has been around for 20+ years – is a draft</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US>Segment routing – which is being more and more used – is a draft</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US>Segment routing BGP extensions – is a draft<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US>It’s a long long list of very much production technologies<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US>The draft tag – doesn’t mean much these days</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US>Andrew</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><b><span lang=EN-US>From:</span></b><span class=apple-converted-space><span lang=EN-US> </span></span><span lang=EN-US>Willy Manga <<a href="mailto:mangawilly@gmail.com">mangawilly@gmail.com</a>><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><br><b>Sent:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Sunday, 14 April 2019 23:51<br><b>To:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net">rpd@afrinic.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Re: [rpd] Proposal: Clarification on temporary resource usage</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:70.8pt'>Hi Jordi,<br><br>On 21/12/2018 18:50, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD wrote:<br>> [...]<br>> You may want to add the following references (the first one will become, hopefully soon, an RFC):<br>> -<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-v6ops-transition-ipv4aas/"><span style='color:purple'>https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-v6ops-transition-ipv4aas/</span></a><br>> -<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-v6ops-nat64-deployment/"><span style='color:purple'>https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-v6ops-nat64-deployment/</span></a><br><br>I'd love to include them but right now they are still in the draft<br>section. 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