<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 8 Apr 2019, at 23:22, Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" class="">owen@delong.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Apr 8, 2019, at 8:42 AM, Omo Oaiya <<a href="mailto:Omo.Oaiya@wacren.net" class="">Omo.Oaiya@wacren.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 8 Apr 2019, at 13:26, Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" class="">owen@delong.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">On Apr 8, 2019, at 03:58, Omo Oaiya <<a href="mailto:Omo.Oaiya@wacren.net" class="">Omo.Oaiya@wacren.net</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">On 8 Apr 2019, at 06:40, Frank Habicht <<a href="mailto:geier@geier.ne.tz" class="">geier@geier.ne.tz</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class="">Dear PDWG and chairs,<br class=""><br class="">On 07/04/2019 22:30, Sander Steffann wrote:<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">Op 7 apr. 2019, om 19:52 heeft Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" class="">owen@delong.com</a>> het<br class="">volgende geschreven:<br class=""></blockquote></blockquote>...<br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">I ask the chairs to keep track of the progress towards getting<br class="">consensus, but also to accept that if/when it becomes clear that<br class="">consensus cannot be reached to respect that outcome. There is no<br class="">shame in not getting consensus.<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">I agree with what Owen and Sander have written. There are fundamental<br class="">questions about this policy. There is disagreement whether a policy like<br class="">this is needed in the first place - I also feel that existing mechanisms<br class="">in the RSA are sufficient.<br class=""></blockquote><br class=""><br class="">I would beg to differ. Accountability is a basic issue that has to be addressed. The problem statement of the policy proposal references the RSA and its limitations.<br class=""></blockquote><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">You can differ all you want, but I don’t agree with the problem statement. I don’t feel that there is insufficient accountability in the existing mechanisms. There may be an operational (not policy or contractual) deficiency in that staff may not be making adequate use of the existing tools for accountability. I’m not convinced that is the case, but even if it is, the way to address that is through discussion of the issue(s) with the CEO and management, not through vague and poorly written policy with massive potential for abuse.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><br class="">What is useful in my opinion for objectors would be to avoid me too’s and add specific objections to the list of issues Owen has raised, and let their resolution or the authors inability to address them guide the chairs and community in reaching consensus (or not).<br class=""></blockquote><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Whether or not you like the fact that multiple parties have similar objections to the ones I have raised, I believe there is value in the community seeing that dissent is not from a single individual, but from multiple parties.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Certainly if they have additional objections, I encourage them to express those as well, but the me too’s have value as well.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Please stop with your continued efforts to silence or curtail expressions of opposition to proposals you favor.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div>You seem confused. I am asking for constructive comments so we can have a useful discussion, something you seem to have missed in your opinionated outburst. This precisely what we need to avoid to move forward in AFRINIC and for the Chairs to note. </div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div></div>I am not the one who is confused here…<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I am stating that IMHO, the “me too’s” _ARE_ constructive comments. Sure, comments which shed light on additional problems with this policy text are also useful, perhaps even more useful than expressions of agreement with previous descriptions of the problems with this proposal. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If your only goal is to modify the policy to the point of consensus and you wish to assume that doing so is possible, then, certainly the most relevant comments are the ones that highlight the issues that must be addressed in order to achieve consensus. However, if your goal is also to gauge community desire for the proposal, as is the burden of the co-chairs, then having an expression of the volume of dissent is similarly important to understanding the topics of dissent.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I referenced your continued efforts because in Dakar, you attempted to instruct those present in the meeting not to express opposition, but merely to discuss needed changes to the policy. You continue to approach the discussion as if eventual consensus is the only valid outcome for a proposal. That’s simply not the case. No consensus and abandonment is a perfectly valid outcome and, IMHO, is the correct outcome for this proposal.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">So… we are both asking for constructive comments. The difference is that I am not attempting to silence anyone.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Owen</div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></div></blockquote></div><div class=""><br class=""></div>You are certainly confused. I was not in Dakar.<br class=""><div class="">
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