<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"><base href="x-msg://719/"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>Jordi, </div><div><br></div>I totally agree with you Jordi, and yes we chatted at the Hammamet meeting, which was engaging and rewarding. I thought our community is a colourless, but I can see some poison in people like Benjamin. <div><br></div><div>I just wanted Benjamin to understand he cannot just throw stones in the market, and expect no one will be hit. I have made my point and I rest my case on this matter.</div><div><br></div><div>--- Daniel<br><div><br><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Dec 7, 2018, at 12:30 PM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <<a href="mailto:jordi.palet@consulintel.es">jordi.palet@consulintel.es</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div lang="ES" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; "><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span lang="EN-US">Gentleman, I will like to suggest to please calm down and take it easy.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span lang="EN-US"> </span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span lang="EN-US">I really understand how easy to come to too much heated discussions, but should be avoided.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span lang="EN-US"> </span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span lang="EN-US">Maybe I’m missing if there are personal or business reasons for that, or confrontations among different countries or parts of Africa, but those aren’t relevant to the discussion in this list at all, and only creates more difficulties for the policy process and discourage people from participating.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span lang="EN-US"> </span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span lang="EN-US">All that is against the code of conduct. Hopefully the chairs don’t need to apply it, but clearly personal attacks must never be used in the list neither meetings.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span lang="EN-US"> </span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span lang="EN-US">If there is a suspicious of something that may be wrong, I think it is totally right to expose it and make it clear and not to create a war at all, but to make sure that even if it is just “false smoke”, the community can take measures to avoid just the smoke and any possible misbehavior.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span lang="EN-US"> </span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span lang="EN-US">Please note that I’m not taking any position. I probably talked with both of you, but to be honest, for me is very difficult to remember all the faces and match them to names, so don't take me as against or pro anyone.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span lang="EN-US"> </span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span lang="EN-US">Just hoping it helps to calm down.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10.5pt; "><br>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10.5pt; ">Jordi<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10.5pt; "> </span></p></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span lang="EN-US"> </span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span lang="EN-US"> </span></div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm; position: static; z-index: auto; "><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">De:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">Daniel Yakmut via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br><b>Responder a:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Daniel Yakmut <<a href="mailto:yakmutd@googlemail.com">yakmutd@googlemail.com</a>><br><b>Fecha:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>viernes, 7 de diciembre de 2018, 12:16<br><b>Para:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Benjamin Ledoh <<a href="mailto:benjamin.ledoh@gmail.com">benjamin.ledoh@gmail.com</a>><br><b>CC:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b><<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br><b>Asunto:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re: [rpd] Declaration of War by Banjamin Ledoh<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Dear Benjamin !!!<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">I take serious exception to your comment, I work in the University and part of my responsibility is to expose my students to the practice of Internet Governance and attending AfriNIC is part of it. Unfortunately, you or any other person does not have the capacity to buy my opinion.<o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">If you are in the business of being sponsored by name withheld to destabilise progressive community, just typical of your kind in the West Africa region. I can see that is why you are supporting a sponsored policy.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">ignorant of you, we have not supported the review policy way before Hammamet. Because we saw through the policy, that it is poison and clannishly sponsored.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Attendance to AfriNIC by sponsorship should be applauded. But if you want a war with benefactors of other people, I don't I have a problem with that, you will have the people to contend with.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">I will clearly tell you I have been in AfriNIC, i am sure long before you know it. So, your kind cannot intimidate me by no means. When you hit a brick wall you tend to reduce serious business to village square matter. VERY TYPICAL.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">--- Daniel<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">On Dec 7, 2018, at 11:36 AM, Benjamin Ledoh <<a href="mailto:benjamin.ledoh@gmail.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">benjamin.ledoh@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><br><br><o:p></o:p></div><blockquote type="cite" style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt; "><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 8pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; line-height: 15px; ">Hi Daniel,<o:p></o:p></p><div style="margin-bottom: 8pt; "><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; line-height: 15px; "> <o:p></o:p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 8pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; line-height: 15px; ">It is true that you have been contracted by a certain Foundation (name withheld) to recruit some young Nigerians, whose trips to Hammamet were paid for by the Foundation, to oppose the Review policy during AFRINIC-29 Meeting?<o:p></o:p></p><div style="margin-bottom: 8pt; "><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; line-height: 15px; "> <o:p></o:p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 8pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; line-height: 15px; ">This question to is coming from the fact that there is a rumor going round and generally, there is no smoke without fire.<o:p></o:p></p><div style="margin-bottom: 8pt; "><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; line-height: 15px; "> <o:p></o:p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 8pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; line-height: 15px; ">Thanks<o:p></o:p></p><div style="margin-bottom: 8pt; "><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; line-height: 15px; "> <o:p></o:p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 8pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; line-height: 15px; ">BenjiLo<o:p></o:p></p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">_______________________________________________<br>RPD mailing list<br><a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">RPD@afrinic.net</a><br><a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a><o:p></o:p></div></blockquote></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">_______________________________________________ RPD mailing list<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">RPD@afrinic.net</a><a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a><o:p></o:p></div></div><br>**********************************************<br>IPv4 is over<br>Are you ready for the new Internet ?<br><a href="http://www.theipv6company.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.theipv6company.com</a><br>The IPv6 Company<br><br>This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. 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