<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"><base href="x-msg://151/"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Mr. Marcus,<div><br></div><div><div><div>See inline</div><div><br></div><div>On Dec 6, 2018, at 10:19 PM, Marcus K. G. Adomey <<a href="mailto:madomey@hotmail.com">madomey@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; ">Hi Daniel,</div><div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; "><br></div><div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; "><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: 'Segoe UI', 'Segoe UI Web (West European)', 'Segoe UI', -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, 'Helvetica Neue', sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); display: inline !important; ">> In my head there is no consensus,<span> </span></span><br></div><div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; "><br></div><div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; "><p style="margin: 0in 0in 8pt; line-height: 16px; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><b><i>Because, you don't like the proposal for reasons which will be known publicly soon, in your head, you will not see consensus. Which is normal.<span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>Rough consensus allows proposal to move forward<span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>even when there are objections.</i></b></p><div><br></div></div></div></blockquote>>>> I had made it loud and clear that there was no need for the Review Policy as my first stand. Hence, I don't have hidden agenda, except of course if there is a smelling rat in the first instance, that is why the proposal was drafted in the first place. This as you rightly said will be reveal at the appointed time.</div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; ">> <span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: 'Segoe UI', 'Segoe UI Web (West European)', 'Segoe UI', -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, 'Helvetica Neue', sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); display: inline !important; ">but there was a verbal declaration of Last Call on the Review policy by the Co-Chairs during the Hammamet meeting.</span></div><div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; "><br></div><div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; "><p style="margin: 0in 0in 8pt; line-height: 16px; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><b><i>That is part of co-chairs mandate and role and in full compliance<span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>with the PDP</i></b></p><div><br></div></div></div></blockquote>>>>> I am just re-re-ephasizing, the obvious</div><div>.<br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; "><br></div><div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; line-height: 16px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">> With the clarification of the CEO, with abated breath we await the declaration of last call, </span></div><div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; line-height: 16px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">> which can allow some to constructively proceed on making comments on the Policy and </span></div><div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; line-height: 16px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">> allow others remind us of the aberration of the process that let to the last call.</span><br></div><div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; "><br></div><div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; "><p style="margin: 0in 0in 8pt; line-height: 16px; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><b><i>Just a pity that<span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>some community members who are vocal here and there are not even familiar with the PDP,<span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>do not have the decency to follow the PDP and blindly follow others.</i></b></p><div><br></div></div></div></blockquote>>>>> We know the process, but when we attempt to side step the process, it becomes confusing and ridiculous.This was very obvious in your attempt to railroad everyone to accept your proposal.<br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; "><div style="margin: 0in 0in 8pt; line-height: 16px; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p style="margin: 0in 0in 8pt; line-height: 16px; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><b><i>The<span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>noises<span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>and personal attacks were not needed if as a responsible community, we follow our rules and principles and show maturity</i></b></p><div style="margin: 0in 0in 8pt; line-height: 16px; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p style="margin: 0in 0in 8pt; line-height: 16px; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><b><i>God save Africa!</i></b></p><div><br></div></div></div></blockquote>>>> O! Hail Africa!!<br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; "><br></div><div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; "><br></div><div>Marcus</div><div><br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>>>>>> Daniel<br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><hr tabindex="-1" style="display: inline-block; width: 784px; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; "><div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size: 11pt; "><b>From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Daniel Yakmut via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday, December 6, 2018 12:15 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Timothy Ola Akinfenwa<br><b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>rpd List<br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [rpd] Can the Board and the CEO please get in sync?</font><div> </div></div><div style="word-wrap: break-word; ">In my head there is no consensus, but there was a verbal declaration of Last Call on the Review policy by the Co-Chairs during the Hammamet meeting.<div><br></div><div>With the clarification of the CEO, with abated breath we await the declaration of last call, which can allow some to constructively proceed on making comments on the Policy and allow others remind us of the aberration of the process that let to the last call.</div><div><br></div><div>We are all on course.</div><div><br></div><div>----- Daniel</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div>On Dec 6, 2018, at 12:32 PM, Timothy Ola Akinfenwa <<a href="mailto:akin.akinfenwa@uniosun.edu.ng">akin.akinfenwa@uniosun.edu.ng</a>> wrote:</div><br class="x_Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div class="x_gmail_default" style="font-family: 'trebuchet ms', sans-serif; font-size: small; ">Thanks Alan for this clarification.</div><div class="x_gmail_default" style="font-family: 'trebuchet ms', sans-serif; font-size: small; "><br></div><div class="x_gmail_default" style="font-family: 'trebuchet ms', sans-serif; font-size: small; ">Now as we await the last call announcement from Co-Chairs, I will like to confirm if there is a time frame between the declaration of consensus and the announcement of last call by the Co-Chairs.</div><div class="x_gmail_default" style="font-family: 'trebuchet ms', sans-serif; font-size: small; "><br></div><div class="x_gmail_default" style="font-family: 'trebuchet ms', sans-serif; font-size: small; ">Best!</div><div class="x_gmail_default" style="font-family: 'trebuchet ms', sans-serif; font-size: small; ">Ti</></div></div><br><div class="x_gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Thu, Dec 6, 2018 at 10:07 AM Alan Barrett <<a href="mailto:alan.barrett@afrinic.net">alan.barrett@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="x_gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; ">Dear community,<br><br>> On 6 Dec 2018, at 03:37, Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" target="_blank">owen@delong.com</a>> wrote:<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> I’ve quoted two messages below which appear to contradict each other. One from SM (Board Member) stating that there is not yet a last call on the proposal in question. The other from the CEO stating that the last call decision was made public at the meeting and the 2 week clock for appeal started at that point.<br><br>The decision to send the audit proposal to last call was made public on Thursday 29 November 2018, but the last call has not started. The start of the last call is typically announced by the co-chairs several days after the meeting, and we are now in the gap between the decision to go to last call, and the beginning of the last call.<br><br>The earlier message from the CEO focused on the date of the decision; the earlier message from SM focused on the fact that the last call has not yet started. I think that both messages were accurate, but I can see how it may be confusing.<br><br>> These two positions appear to contradict each other, is I ask that the CEO and the board confer and that the board respond with a single clear statement as to the situation. Such statement should include:<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> 1. Is there a last call now active on this proposal or not?<br><br>The co-chairs made a decision to declare rough consensus in a public policy meeting, and to send the review proposal to last call. The last call itself has not yet started; it will start only after a separate announcement by the co-chairs, and that has not yet happened.<br><br>> 2. When did the 2 week clock on the ability to appeal start ticking?<br><br>If the appeal will be against the decision to declare rough consensus in the meeting on 29 November, then the clock started on 29 November 2018. If the appeal will be against some other decision, then the clock starts on the date of that other decision.<br><br>> 3. In light of the amount of confusion around this issue and the delays in getting clarification, could we<br>> please reset the 2 week clock to start no sooner than the day that this clarification is provided to<br>> the community?<br><br>That’s not my call.<br><br>> Further, since the two quotations come from two different lists, I request that the clarification be sent to both lists.<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> Thanks for your attention to this matter,<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> Owen<br><br>That’s rpd and members-discuss. OK, I’ll send to both lists.<br><br>Alan Barrett<br><br>[quoted messages appended for context]<br><br>> We have this quote on the members list from a board member:<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>> From: S Moonesamy <<a href="mailto:sm%2Bafrinic@elandsys.com" target="_blank">sm+afrinic@elandsys.com</a>><br>>> Date: Wednesday, 5 December 2018 at 22:02<br>>> To: Andrew Alston <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com" target="_blank">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>>, "<a href="mailto:members-discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank">members-discuss@afrinic.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:members-discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank">members-discuss@afrinic.net</a>><br>>> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] PDP Co-Chair Elections<br>>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>> Dear Andrew,<br>>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>> My response to your question is that there was an election for the<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>> position of PDP Chair in Dakar. I read the messages on the relevant<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>> mailing list sent over the last week. There are messages about<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>> "opposing the last call" [1] on one of the proposals under<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>> discussion; there isn't any Last Call at the moment.<br>>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>> If a Resource Member has a concern about a proposal, the Resource<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>> Member can raise it through its representative during a Last<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>> Call. There is also an appeal process for disagreements about<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>> actions taken by the Chair(s). From what I understand, a concern<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>> might be about what is written in a proposal instead of the person(s)<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>> taking the decision.<br>>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>> Regards,<br>>> S. Moonesamy<br>>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>> 1.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2018/008653.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2018/008653.html</a><br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> We have this quote from the RPD list from the CEO:<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>> From: Alan Barrett <<a href="mailto:alan.barrett@afrinic.net" target="_blank">alan.barrett@afrinic.net</a>><br>>> Subject: Re: [rpd] Query on appeal<br>>> Date: December 5, 2018 at 05:21:06 PST<br>>> To: rpd List <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br>>> Cc: "<a href="mailto:pdwg-appeal@afrinic.net" target="_blank">pdwg-appeal@afrinic.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:pdwg-appeal@afrinic.net" target="_blank">pdwg-appeal@afrinic.net</a>><br>>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>> On 1 Dec 2018, at 14:04, Andrew Alston <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com" target="_blank">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>> wrote:<br>>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>> Hi PDWG Appeal Committee.<br>>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>> I am replying because I think that the Appeal Committee may consider the questions out of scope for them.<br>>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>> The policy actually says – within 2 weeks from public knowledge of the decision – does a pronouncement on the floor constitute public knowledge in a streamed meeting?<br>>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>> Yes, the announcement on the floor of the public meeting was the instant that the decision became public knowledge.<br>>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>> Secondly – I wish the PDWG Appeal committee to comment on what happens to a last call process if the decision to last call is under appeal pending adjudication. I would assume that the last call process would be suspended and cannot proceed until the adjudication of the appeal has been completed, but I wish to have a formal clarification on this.<br>>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>> According to AFRINIC’s legal advisor, an appeal would have the effect of suspending the last call process whilst awaiting the decision of the appeal committee on the issue of whether the Co-chairs were right or wrong.<br>>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>> Alan Barrett<br>>> CEO, AFRINIC<br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>RPD mailing list<br><a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net" target="_blank">RPD@afrinic.net</a><br><a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a><br></blockquote></div>_______________________________________________<br>RPD mailing list<br><a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net">RPD@afrinic.net</a><br><a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>