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<p>Sunday, you were not there, I was. You are providing incorrect
information.</p>
<p>I quote:</p>
<div dir="auto">The minutes(*) of the PPM of AFRINIC-28 was
published by co-chairs as mandated by the PDP. </div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">The cochair election sections (6.1) read:</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">[....]</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">"The Elections Committee asked for a show of hands
for those in favor, and those not in favor of Mark Elkins’
candidature. After a show of hands, there were 22 in favor and 56
not in favor of Mark’s candidature.</div>
<div dir="auto">NomCom Chair called for nominations from the floor
to fill the empty PDWG co-chair seat.</div>
<div dir="auto">There were suggestions that the position be filled
by a temporary co-chair until there’s another nominations process
to find a replacement co-chair.</div>
<div dir="auto">Sami Salih (the outgoing co-chair) offered to
continue as co-chair till there is a process in future to find a
new co-chair.</div>
<div dir="auto">Delegates were asked if there is support for Sami to
continue as co-chair till the next scheduled nominations period.
There was strong support to have Sami continue – and he was
therefore tasked to serve as temporary co-chair until the next
scheduled nominations season."</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">(The last part of the minutes are wrong when
compared with the video recording - as explained elsewhere)<br>
</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto"><b>I was the only person who went through the
complete Election Process for the PDP Co-Chair - beginning to
end.</b> In Dakar (Yes, I was present), I found myself as the
ONLY person who was standing for the seat. However, the Elections
Committee asked for a show of hands from people in the room and
the room voted for me not to stand - as per above. One of the
most interesting aspects of the Dakar meeting was the number of
well dressed local people who attended the meetings around midday
and who had lunch at the hotel, then left. One lady whom I spoke
to was a Hair Dresser - or rather studying to be one from the
local college. She had no clue why she was voting - but she did
get a good (free) lunch. She was not part of our community and
there were many, many like her present at the time of voting.</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">Consequently - for the future - I believe the
community should be at least only people in or directly related to
the Internet Industry. This would reduce the hotels food bill from
a meeting expenses point of view - that is - <b>members money</b>.
I'm also in agreement that there should be a meeting attendance
fee - to reduce the potential for these meetings to be used and
abused in this manner. I would though like to see a small quote of
free tickets to member organisations - e.g. a minimum of one
ticket per member organisation, and more for larger member
organisations (non-transferable - etc)</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">In conclusion, the Vote for PDP Co-Chair was abused
by a small number of people present at the meeting. Sami should
never have been "elected" to begin with. He never intended to
stand.<br>
I also consider Sami to be a friend and I have worked with him on
other projects (e.g. DNS African Study). I wish him no ill. He has
perhaps though ended up in the wrong place.<br>
</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/6/18 11:39 AM, Sunday Folayan
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:f79df195-9b6f-bd6d-9898-765e65dda8da@gmail.com">Greetings,
<br>
<br>
This should resolve the issues around the legitimacy of an
hard-working volunteer, for the job no one else wants to do, so
that the community can move on.
<br>
<br>
Moving on, is without prejudice to the rights and intention of
other parties to appeal or not appeal if and when the last call is
made by the legitimate callers - the Co-Chairs.
<br>
<br>
Apologies for the cross-posting.
<br>
<br>
Kind Regards ..
<br>
<br>
R.SF.
<br>
<br>
On 06/12/2018 09:01, Ernest Byaruhanga wrote:
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">Colleagues,
<br>
<br>
Here is some background information on the matter of Sami’s term
as co-chair of the Policy Development Working Group.
<br>
<br>
On the 07 of June 2018, minutes of the AFRINIC28 public policy
meeting were published on the AFRINIC website and shared with
the co-chairs.
<br>
<br>
The minutes are published at
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.afrinic.net/policy/development-working-group/ppm-afrinic-28">https://www.afrinic.net/policy/development-working-group/ppm-afrinic-28</a>
<br>
<br>
The last two bullets of minute 6.1 read as follows:
<br>
<br>
----------
<br>
• Sami Salih (the outgoing co-chair) offered to continue as
co-chair till there is a process in future to find a new
co-chair.
<br>
• Delegates were asked if there is support for Sami to continue
as co-chair till the next scheduled nominations period. There
was strong support to have Sami continue – and he was therefore
tasked to serve as temporary co-chair until the next scheduled
nominations season.
<br>
—————
<br>
<br>
The above is what guided Sami (and AFRINIC) to believe that his
tenure would run "until the next scheduled nominations season”,
which is next year at AIS/AFRINIC30 (2019).
<br>
<br>
Looking at the video at
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWTApl4QHfY">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWTApl4QHfY</a>, it’s clear that the
recorded minute above did not accurately reflect what was
discussed.
<br>
<br>
Apologies for the confusion.
<br>
<br>
Regards,
<br>
Ernest.
<br>
<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">On 6 Dec 2018, at 10:38, Andrew Alston
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com"><Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com></a> wrote:
<br>
<br>
Arnaud,
<br>
My motivation – when I found this situation and duly acted
on it – was simple – to gather the evidence required to prove
that the process had not been followed in the passing of this
policy – the fact that while looking for other evidence to
document all the objections that made this policy fail in
Dakar, I came across this – is immaterial sometimes when you
are documenting evidence to form solid and legitimate
groundwork for an appeal when you know for a fact that process
has not been followed, you come across things that you hadn’t
seen before – that require action.
<br>
If by “Is this what we can expect from Liquid” you refer to
me personally insisting on adherence to process and adherence
to the bylaws – then yes – that is what you can expect, please
remember – in the context of the PDP – companies typically do
not take the floor – individuals from the community do. When
and if I am speaking on behalf of my employer – I have always
made this extremely clear.
<br>
As for the vague insinuations about cross-checked data – yes
– my data was wrong – it happens and I’ve admitted that – it
happened because I relied on published data that I downloaded
from a source that I believed to be trusted and didn’t verify
it – my mistake and I apologise for that – however, that is
not really relevant to the discussion at hand and is, in my
opinion, you doing exactly what you are accusing me of doing,
conflating issues to try and discredit something legitimate.
I refer to my previous email about members of this community
engaging in “whataboutism”
(<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism</a>) – this is case in
point.
<br>
Andrew
<br>
From: Arnaud AMELINA <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:amelnaud@gmail.com"><amelnaud@gmail.com></a>
<br>
Sent: 06 December 2018 09:07
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To: Andrew Alston <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com"><Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com></a>
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Cc: abel ELITCHA <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:kmw.elitcha@gmail.com"><kmw.elitcha@gmail.com></a>; rpd >>
AfriNIC Resource Policy <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net"><rpd@afrinic.net></a>; General
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Subject: Re: [rpd] Sami's status as a co-chair
<br>
Andrew,
<br>
Why do you always react following your ego and pursuing
personal interest and not community interest? When you
started this palaver on last call and Sami tenure, you tried
on community-discuss to use data you have not cross checked to
discredit the organization performance. What is your real
motive? Is this what we should expect from Liquid telecom all
along ?
<br>
Arnaud
<br>
Le mer. 5 déc. 2018 20:10, Andrew Alston
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com"><Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com></a> a écrit :
<br>
Komi,
<br>
You cannot rewrite the mandate granted by the community in
the minutes.
<br>
Fact – the reality is – the community voted – clearly – on a
6 month mandate – that is indisputable fact.
<br>
Fact – that mandate expired
<br>
What the *minutes* say does not change the reality of a
video recorded meeting.
<br>
When the issue was raised – is immaterial – the context of
the issue being raised – is immaterial – fact – is fact – the
mandate was granted – the mandate expired.
<br>
Andrew
<br>
From: Komi Elitcha <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:kmw.elitcha@gmail.com"><kmw.elitcha@gmail.com></a>
<br>
Date: Wednesday, 5 December 2018 at 21:30
<br>
To: Andrew Alston <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com"><Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com></a>
<br>
Cc: "AfriNIC RPD MList." <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net"><rpd@afrinic.net></a>
<br>
Subject: Re: [rpd] Sami's status as a co-chair
<br>
Hello Andrew,
<br>
The minutes(*) of the PPM of AFRINIC-28 was published by
co-chairs as mandated by the PDP.
<br>
The cochair election sections (6.1) read:
<br>
[....]
<br>
"The Elections Committee asked for a show of hands for those
in favor, and those not in favor of Mark Elkins’ candidature.
After a show of hands, there were 22 in favor and 56 not in
favor of Mark’s candidature.
<br>
NomCom Chair called for nominations from the floor to fill the
empty PDWG co-chair seat.
<br>
There were suggestions that the position be filled by a
temporary co-chair until there’s another nominations process
to find a replacement co-chair.
<br>
Sami Salih (the outgoing co-chair) offered to continue as
co-chair till there is a process in future to find a new
co-chair.
<br>
Delegates were asked if there is support for Sami to continue
as co-chair till the next scheduled nominations period. There
was strong support to have Sami continue – and he was
therefore tasked to serve as temporary co-chair until the next
scheduled nominations season."
<br>
Practices at AFRINIC is that Elections are held mostly
during the community meeting coupled with AGMM. So it is not
surprising to see that the PDWG admin page(**) lists Sami as
cochair with term June2016 - June2019.
<br>
This probably explains why an election process was not
triggered for the AFRINIC-29.
<br>
Nobody raised an alarm when the 77 days before election day
passed (15 September 2018) and there was no nomination
process.Furthermore, at the beginning of the PPM in Hammamet,
there was no objection to Sami chairing the meeting.
<br>
Making all these noises, and challenging Sami right to
operate at the meeting and moving on, just because Co-chairs
made a decision one does not like is not responsible.
<br>
Decency would have required the separation of issues
appropriately handling them through other mechanisms, which
would normally be more consensual with interest in conflict
resolution an in an appealing manner .
<br>
Hope this helps
<br>
-Komi
<br>
(*)
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.afrinic.net/policy/development-working-group/ppm-afrinic-28">https://www.afrinic.net/policy/development-working-group/ppm-afrinic-28</a>
<br>
(**)<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.afrinic.net/policy/development-working-group#admin">https://www.afrinic.net/policy/development-working-group#admin</a>
<br>
Le mar. 4 déc. 2018 à 4:52 PM, Andrew Alston
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com"><Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com></a> a écrit :
<br>
Hi All,
<br>
I want to clarify something – to be very sure.
<br>
If I am correct – there was no election of a PDP co-chair in
Tunisia. Can someone please confirm that? Because if there
was no election – we only have ONE chair at the moment – and
Sami’s status as a co-chair has lapsed and he cannot
adjudicate on consensus.
<br>
I say this – because in Dakar – and for those of you that
were not there, please see
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWTApl4QHfY">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWTApl4QHfY</a> at about 13
minutes in, Sami’s position was granted as interim only – and
only for the following 6 months until the next PDP.
<br>
So – unless there was an election called – and video
evidence of this – Sami is no longer eligible to act in the
position of co-chair – since his mandate was not granted by
this community on the floor of a meeting, and as per the legal
counsel at the Dakar meeting – any position into which Sami
entered – was only valid until the November meeting, and the
co-chair goes on, on record on the microphone to further state
that Sami was only appointed “Until the next PDP meeting”
<br>
Sami – on that note, thank you for your service as the
interim co-chair over the preceeding 6 months.
<br>
Andrew
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