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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I did not question if there was an error letting the policy come up for discussion – that question – was asked by another.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I question how it could have reached consensus without any modification – and without all substantial issues being addressed – and considering that a multitude of issues raised in previous emails
and on the mailing lists have never been dealt with and have been discarded. My other questions have been answered – and I have made my notes as regards those answers, which may or may not form input into a forthcoming appeal.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Andrew<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> Sami Salih <sami.salih@outlook.com>
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<b>Sent:</b> 03 December 2018 15:33<br>
<b>To:</b> Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com>; Ernest Byaruhanga <ernest@afrinic.net>; Daniel Yakmut <yakmutd@googlemail.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> rpd >> AfriNIC Resource Policy <rpd@afrinic.net><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [rpd] Opposing the last call made on the review policy<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Dear Andrew,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I allways try to spare the community time by not repeating things, you ask a question and I tried to answer, would you please first confirmed that your 1st inqury has been addressed, then you can ask new questions.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Here we are tring to develop policies to the benefit of the community, and not exhausted our selves with series of questions and repeat them. I hope you understand my logic and I hope its not ""severely flawed"" any more.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">BR <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>Dr. Sami H.O. Salih</b><br>
<span style="font-size:10.0pt">Assistant Prof, School of Electronics Engineering, SUST<br>
Head of R&D, NTC, SUDAN<br>
President of SDv6TF<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">From:</span></b><span style="color:black"> Andrew Alston <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, December 3, 2018 3:09 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Sami Salih; Ernest Byaruhanga; Daniel Yakmut<br>
<b>Cc:</b> rpd >> AfriNIC Resource Policy<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [rpd] Opposing the last call made on the review policy</span>
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<p class="xmsonormal">Sami,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal">The line of thinking is severely flawed – firstly – you have the objections from the mailing lists – are you assuming that comments from the mailing lists between meetings disappear some how at the end of a meeting?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal">Are you saying that a community member who cannot afford to fly to every meeting has his input disregarded from one meeting to the next?
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<p class="xmsonormal">This does not make any logical sense in my mind… and prejuidices towards the voices of people who can afford to travel meeting to meeting to meeting – be it on their own dime, their companies dime, or sponsored.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal">Andrew<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> Sami Salih <<a href="mailto:sami.salih@outlook.com">sami.salih@outlook.com</a>>
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<b>Sent:</b> 03 December 2018 15:02<br>
<b>To:</b> Andrew Alston <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>>; Ernest Byaruhanga <<a href="mailto:ernest@afrinic.net">ernest@afrinic.net</a>>; Daniel Yakmut <<a href="mailto:yakmutd@googlemail.com">yakmutd@googlemail.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> rpd >> AfriNIC Resource Policy <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [rpd] Opposing the last call made on the review policy</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Dear Andrew,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.5pt;color:#212121;background:white">Daniel's inqury was "</span><u><span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:#212121;background:white">Can I then conclude that the PDP Co-Chairs erred
to have allowed the policy come.up.for discussion in Tunisia.</span></u><span style="font-size:11.5pt;color:#212121;background:white">"</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">and I point him to the answer.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Now, you inqury was also replied to this morning, see the link</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2018/008718.html">https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2018/008718.html</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">BR</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><b>Dr. Sami H.O. Salih</b><br>
<span style="font-size:10.0pt">Assistant Prof, School of Electronics Engineering, SUST<br>
Head of R&D, NTC, SUDAN<br>
President of SDv6TF<br>
T/F: (249)122045707/187171355</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><b><span style="color:black">From:</span></b><span style="color:black"> Andrew Alston <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, December 3, 2018 2:51 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Sami Salih; Ernest Byaruhanga; Daniel Yakmut<br>
<b>Cc:</b> rpd >> AfriNIC Resource Policy<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [rpd] Opposing the last call made on the review policy</span>
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<p class="xxmsonormal">Sami,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal">Actually the below link far from addresses the question at hand.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal">How does a policy gain consensus when it failed to gain it once before – without the concerns and substantive issues being addressed. Either someone would have to withdraw their objections – or the objections which resulted in the failure
of consensus would have to be addressed – which would at least in certain cases reflect in a change of the text.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal">Yes – the policy is still active – but it is active without consensus – since there is no way that consensus can reached without either a change in the policy or an explicit withdrawal of the MULTITUDE of objections that have been raised
against this policy, so can the co-chairs please explain how this can happen in their view – because I think myself, and others are VERY confused as to how consensus could have been gained here.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal">Andrew<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> Sami Salih <<a href="mailto:sami.salih@outlook.com">sami.salih@outlook.com</a>>
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<b>Sent:</b> 03 December 2018 14:44<br>
<b>To:</b> Ernest Byaruhanga <<a href="mailto:ernest@afrinic.net">ernest@afrinic.net</a>>; Daniel Yakmut <<a href="mailto:yakmutd@googlemail.com">yakmutd@googlemail.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> rpd >> AfriNIC Resource Policy <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [rpd] Opposing the last call made on the review policy</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Dear </span><span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:#212121;background:white">Daniel,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal">Your question has already addressed in a previous email this morning, So I hope you carefully follow the thread in the list to avoid unnecessary repetition.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal">Please refer to this link<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal"><a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2018/008715.html">https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2018/008715.html</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;background:white">Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;background:white">PDWG Co-Chairs</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal"><b>Dr. Sami H.O. Salih</b><br>
<span style="font-size:10.0pt">Assistant Prof, School of Electronics Engineering, SUST<br>
Head of R&D, NTC, SUDAN<br>
President of SDv6TF<br>
T/F: (249)122045707/187171355</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal"><b><span style="color:black">From:</span></b><span style="color:black"> Daniel Yakmut via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, December 3, 2018 2:24 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Ernest Byaruhanga<br>
<b>Cc:</b> rpd >> AfriNIC Resource Policy<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [rpd] Opposing the last call made on the review policy</span>
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<p class="xxmsonormal">Thank you Ernest for your kind response. This clearly showed that the authors of the Review Policy do not care about any input from the community.
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<p class="xxmsonormal">From the last date of submission, it means nothing was considered by the authors from input made in Dakar meeting. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal">This means the policy remained as is without any input or review for over six months. Making it stale and should have been dicarded.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal">Can I then conclude that the PDP Co-Chairs erred to have allowed the policy come.up.for discussion in Tunisia.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal">Is there no case of disregard for rules here?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal">Cheers<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal">On Mon, Dec 3, 2018, 12:04 PM Ernest Byaruhanga <<a href="mailto:ernest@afrinic.net">ernest@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal">Nishal,<br>
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> have there been any updates to this policy since the previous meeting.<br>
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No.<br>
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Version 6 was received on 10 April 2018, and no newer version thereafter.<br>
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More info:<br>
<a href="https://www.afrinic.net/policy/2016-gen-001-d6#details" target="_blank">https://www.afrinic.net/policy/2016-gen-001-d6#details</a><br>
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Ernest.<br>
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