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<span>Did you counted how many times you used the word "appeal" in last two days ?<br>
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<div>Instead of threatening the community with this legal proccess would you please try to believe in the people in the community and contribute to enhance the mentioned proposal and the process as a whole as you confirm some of your questions has been answered.<br>
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<div>Finally, I'm here to defend the proccess but not the content of any proposal and as co-chair I stand in a similar distance from all opinions.<br>
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<div id="signature"><b>Dr. Sami H.O. Salih</b><br>
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, December 3, 2018 3:37 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Sami Salih; Ernest Byaruhanga; Daniel Yakmut<br>
<b>Cc:</b> rpd >> AfriNIC Resource Policy<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [rpd] Opposing the last call made on the review policy</font>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="">I did not question if there was an error letting the policy come up for discussion that question was asked by another.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="">I question how it could have reached consensus without any modification and without all substantial issues being addressed and considering that a multitude of issues raised in previous emails and on the mailing lists
have never been dealt with and have been discarded. My other questions have been answered and I have made my notes as regards those answers, which may or may not form input into a forthcoming appeal.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> Sami Salih <sami.salih@outlook.com>
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<b>Sent:</b> 03 December 2018 15:33<br>
<b>To:</b> Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com>; Ernest Byaruhanga <ernest@afrinic.net>; Daniel Yakmut <yakmutd@googlemail.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> rpd >> AfriNIC Resource Policy <rpd@afrinic.net><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [rpd] Opposing the last call made on the review policy</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black">Dear Andrew,</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">I allways try to spare the community time by not repeating things, you ask a question and I tried to answer, would you please first confirmed that your 1st inqury has been addressed, then you can ask new questions.</p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">Here we are tring to develop policies to the benefit of the community, and not exhausted our selves with series of questions and repeat them. I hope you understand my logic and I hope its not ""severely flawed"" any more.</p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><b>Dr. Sami H.O. Salih</b><br>
<span style="font-size:10.0pt">Assistant Prof, School of Electronics Engineering, SUST<br>
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President of SDv6TF<br>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">From:</span></b><span style="color:black"> Andrew Alston <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, December 3, 2018 3:09 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Sami Salih; Ernest Byaruhanga; Daniel Yakmut<br>
<b>Cc:</b> rpd >> AfriNIC Resource Policy<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [rpd] Opposing the last call made on the review policy</span>
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<p class="x_xmsonormal">Sami,</p>
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<p class="x_xmsonormal">The line of thinking is severely flawed firstly you have the objections from the mailing lists are you assuming that comments from the mailing lists between meetings disappear some how at the end of a meeting?</p>
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<p class="x_xmsonormal">Are you saying that a community member who cannot afford to fly to every meeting has his input disregarded from one meeting to the next?
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<p class="x_xmsonormal">This does not make any logical sense in my mind
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<p class="x_xmsonormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> Sami Salih <<a href="mailto:sami.salih@outlook.com">sami.salih@outlook.com</a>>
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<b>Sent:</b> 03 December 2018 15:02<br>
<b>To:</b> Andrew Alston <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>>; Ernest Byaruhanga <<a href="mailto:ernest@afrinic.net">ernest@afrinic.net</a>>; Daniel Yakmut <<a href="mailto:yakmutd@googlemail.com">yakmutd@googlemail.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> rpd >> AfriNIC Resource Policy <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [rpd] Opposing the last call made on the review policy</span></p>
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<p class="x_xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.5pt; color:#212121; background:white">Daniel's inqury was "</span><u><span style="font-size:11.5pt; font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif; color:#212121; background:white">Can I then conclude that the PDP Co-Chairs
erred to have allowed the policy come.up.for discussion in Tunisia.</span></u><span style="font-size:11.5pt; color:#212121; background:white">"</span></p>
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<p class="x_xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black">and I point him to the answer.</span></p>
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<p class="x_xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black">Now, you inqury was also replied to this morning, see the link</span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt">Assistant Prof, School of Electronics Engineering, SUST<br>
Head of R&D, NTC, SUDAN<br>
President of SDv6TF<br>
T/F: (249)122045707/187171355</span> </p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, December 3, 2018 2:51 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Sami Salih; Ernest Byaruhanga; Daniel Yakmut<br>
<b>Cc:</b> rpd >> AfriNIC Resource Policy<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [rpd] Opposing the last call made on the review policy</span>
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<p class="x_xxmsonormal">Sami,</p>
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<p class="x_xxmsonormal">Actually the below link far from addresses the question at hand.</p>
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<p class="x_xxmsonormal">How does a policy gain consensus when it failed to gain it once before without the concerns and substantive issues being addressed. Either someone would have to withdraw their objections or the objections which resulted in the
failure of consensus would have to be addressed which would at least in certain cases reflect in a change of the text.</p>
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<p class="x_xxmsonormal">Yes the policy is still active but it is active without consensus since there is no way that consensus can reached without either a change in the policy or an explicit withdrawal of the MULTITUDE of objections that have been raised
against this policy, so can the co-chairs please explain how this can happen in their view because I think myself, and others are VERY confused as to how consensus could have been gained here.</p>
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<p class="x_xxmsonormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> Sami Salih <<a href="mailto:sami.salih@outlook.com">sami.salih@outlook.com</a>>
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<b>Sent:</b> 03 December 2018 14:44<br>
<b>To:</b> Ernest Byaruhanga <<a href="mailto:ernest@afrinic.net">ernest@afrinic.net</a>>; Daniel Yakmut <<a href="mailto:yakmutd@googlemail.com">yakmutd@googlemail.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> rpd >> AfriNIC Resource Policy <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [rpd] Opposing the last call made on the review policy</span></p>
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<p class="x_xxmsonormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black">Dear </span><span style="font-size:11.5pt; font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif; color:#212121; background:white">Daniel,</span></p>
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<p class="x_xxmsonormal">Your question has already addressed in a previous email this morning, So I hope you carefully follow the thread in the list to avoid unnecessary repetition.</p>
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<p class="x_xxmsonormal">Please refer to this link</p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt">Assistant Prof, School of Electronics Engineering, SUST<br>
Head of R&D, NTC, SUDAN<br>
President of SDv6TF<br>
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<p class="x_xxmsonormal"><b><span style="color:black">From:</span></b><span style="color:black"> Daniel Yakmut via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, December 3, 2018 2:24 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Ernest Byaruhanga<br>
<b>Cc:</b> rpd >> AfriNIC Resource Policy<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [rpd] Opposing the last call made on the review policy</span>
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<p class="x_xxmsonormal">Thank you Ernest for your kind response. This clearly showed that the authors of the Review Policy do not care about any input from the community.
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<p class="x_xxmsonormal">From the last date of submission, it means nothing was considered by the authors from input made in Dakar meeting. </p>
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<p class="x_xxmsonormal">This means the policy remained as is without any input or review for over six months. Making it stale and should have been dicarded.</p>
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<p class="x_xxmsonormal">Can I then conclude that the PDP Co-Chairs erred to have allowed the policy come.up.for discussion in Tunisia.</p>
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<p class="x_xxmsonormal">Is there no case of disregard for rules here?</p>
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<p class="x_xxmsonormal">On Mon, Dec 3, 2018, 12:04 PM Ernest Byaruhanga <<a href="mailto:ernest@afrinic.net">ernest@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:</p>
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> have there been any updates to this policy since the previous meeting.<br>
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No.<br>
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Version 6 was received on 10 April 2018, and no newer version thereafter.<br>
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More info:<br>
<a href="https://www.afrinic.net/policy/2016-gen-001-d6#details" target="_blank">https://www.afrinic.net/policy/2016-gen-001-d6#details</a><br>
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Ernest.<br>
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