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--></style></head><body lang=ES link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I’m not sure I’ve then previously understood what “goodthinker” was meaning …<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'><br>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Jordi<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>De: </span></b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com><br><b>Fecha: </b>martes, 27 de noviembre de 2018, 22:26<br><b>Para: </b>good thinker <gracemupoyi@gmail.com><br><b>CC: </b>rpd List <rpd@afrinic.net><br><b>Asunto: </b>Re: [rpd] RPD Digest, Vol 146, Issue 26<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>I’m not convinced that is true.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Owen<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>On Nov 27, 2018, at 12:44 , good thinker <<a href="mailto:gracemupoyi@gmail.com">gracemupoyi@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Hi all, <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>It will be good to check again in deep about the v4 or v6. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Because what Jordi below<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>> If we allow only transfering IPv4, then they will transfer IPv6 under the table, no doubt! It doesn't make sense.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>It will happen surely so persons who are proposing policies have to take care of the point. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Regards<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Grace M<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Le mar. 27 nov. 2018 à 21:03, <<a href="mailto:rpd-request@afrinic.net">rpd-request@afrinic.net</a>> a écrit :<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Send RPD mailing list submissions to<br> <a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a><br><br>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br> <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a><br>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br> <a href="mailto:rpd-request@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd-request@afrinic.net</a><br><br>You can reach the person managing the list at<br> <a href="mailto:rpd-owner@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd-owner@afrinic.net</a><br><br>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>than "Re: Contents of RPD digest..."<br><br><br>Today's Topics:<br><br> 1. Re: Policy Proposal Update - Inter-RIR Resource Transfers v2<br> (Owen DeLong)<br> 2. Re: Policy Proposal Update - Inter-RIR Resource Transfers v2<br> (JORDI PALET MARTINEZ)<br><br><br>----------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>Message: 1<br>Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 11:08:19 -0800<br>From: Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" target="_blank">owen@delong.com</a>><br>To: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <<a href="mailto:jordi.palet@consulintel.es" target="_blank">jordi.palet@consulintel.es</a>><br>Cc: <a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a><br>Subject: Re: [rpd] Policy Proposal Update - Inter-RIR Resource<br> Transfers v2<br>Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:E6EEF99B-4D79-4F9A-B526-53567DDB7FE0@delong.com" target="_blank">E6EEF99B-4D79-4F9A-B526-53567DDB7FE0@delong.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8<br><br>Actually, Jordi, under existing RIPE policies, they don?t need to renumber unless they are looking to terminate their relationship with RIPE NCC.<br><br>Owen<br><br><br>> On Nov 27, 2018, at 09:13 , JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<br>> <br>> Hi Willy,<br>> <br>> A very simple one (I'm sure there may be other examples).<br>> <br>> A company moves from Europe to Africa (or moves from a DC in Europe to Africa). Never mind is the company or just the hosting service. May be because they have been acquired by an African company, but may be other reasons.<br>> <br>> Without this policy they need to renumber. They may be using their own IPv4, IPv6 and AS, for example with VMs. This is today very common.<br>> <br>> If they move from Europe to other regions, they don't need to renumber.<br>> <br>> If we allow only transfering IPv4, then they will transfer IPv6 under the table, no doubt! It doesn't make sense.<br>> <br>> So the reason for allow AS and IPv6 transfers is not because scarcity, but because networks may be dual-stacked, you need to support that.<br>> <br>> By the way, thir morning I learned from Marco, the policy responsible from RIPE, that last week it was done the first ASN transfer from RIPE to APNIC. So this demonstrates, that it is a not usual case, but it happens. So why we must restrict those cases?<br>> <br>> Regards,<br>> Jordi<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> ?-----Mensaje original-----<br>> De: Willy MANGA <<a href="mailto:mangawilly@gmail.com" target="_blank">mangawilly@gmail.com</a>><br>> Fecha: martes, 27 de noviembre de 2018, 18:03<br>> Para: <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br>> Asunto: Re: [rpd] Policy Proposal Update - Inter-RIR Resource Transfers v2<br>> <br>> Hi,<br>> <br>> Le 21/11/2018 ? 13:47, Sami Salih a ?crit :<br>>> Dears AFRINIC PDWG Members,<br>>> <br>>> The Authors of the policy proposal (Inter-RIR Resource Transfers) has<br>>> submitted an update to the proposal document (v2). Please find the<br>>> updates on the link below:<br>>> <br>>> <a href="https://afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2018-gen-003-d2" target="_blank">https://afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2018-gen-003-d2</a> <br>> <br>> Can we have some use case of IPv6 transfer between RIR ?<br>> <br>> <br>> -- <br>> Willy Manga<br>> @ongolaboy<br>> <a href="https://ongola.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">https://ongola.blogspot.com/</a><br>> <br>> _______________________________________________<br>> RPD mailing list<br>> <a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net" target="_blank">RPD@afrinic.net</a><br>> <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a><br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> **********************************************<br>> IPv4 is over<br>> Are you ready for the new Internet ?<br>> <a href="http://www.theipv6company.com/" target="_blank">http://www.theipv6company.com</a><br>> The IPv6 Company<br>> <br>> This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. The information is intended to be for the exclusive use of the individual(s) named above and further non-explicilty authorized disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited and will be considered a criminal offense. If you are not the intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited, will be considered a criminal offense, so you must reply to the original sender to inform about this communication and delete it.<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> _______________________________________________<br>> RPD mailing list<br>> <a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net" target="_blank">RPD@afrinic.net</a><br>> <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a><br><br><br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 2<br>Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 21:02:19 +0100<br>From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <<a href="mailto:jordi.palet@consulintel.es" target="_blank">jordi.palet@consulintel.es</a>><br>To: Kangamutima zabika Christophe <<a href="mailto:funga.roho@yandex.com" target="_blank">funga.roho@yandex.com</a>>, Willy MANGA<br> <<a href="mailto:mangawilly@gmail.com" target="_blank">mangawilly@gmail.com</a>>, "<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br>Subject: Re: [rpd] Policy Proposal Update - Inter-RIR Resource<br> Transfers v2<br>Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:F16AAAE4-18CA-44EB-A6CB-64A12239D2B1@consulintel.es" target="_blank">F16AAAE4-18CA-44EB-A6CB-64A12239D2B1@consulintel.es</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br><br>There is no need for that.<br><br><br><br>If there is a M&A, this proposal will help to do that, and at the same time the company will need to sign the AfriNIC membership, so in the benefit of the community, those resources will become part of the AfriNIC pool.<br><br><br>Regards,<br><br>Jordi<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>De: Kangamutima zabika Christophe <<a href="mailto:funga.roho@yandex.com" target="_blank">funga.roho@yandex.com</a>><br>Fecha: martes, 27 de noviembre de 2018, 20:03<br>Para: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <<a href="mailto:jordi.palet@consulintel.es" target="_blank">jordi.palet@consulintel.es</a>>, Willy MANGA <<a href="mailto:mangawilly@gmail.com" target="_blank">mangawilly@gmail.com</a>>, "<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br>Asunto: Re: [rpd] Policy Proposal Update - Inter-RIR Resource Transfers v2<br><br><br><br>Toute entreprise qui vient s'installer en Afrique ? l'issu d'une fusion ou d'une acquisition devra solliciter des ressources aupr?s d'Afrinic. Dans le cout d'acquisition d'une entreprise tous ces frais sont pris en compte. Ce sont nos r?gles et souhaitons qu'elles demeurent peu importe si en Asie ils se sont laiss?s emport?s par par des sch?mas caricaturaux comme celui propos? dans ce projet de reglement.<br><br><br><br>Je m'y oppose fermement. <br><br><br><br>Kangamutima<br><br><br><br>27.11.2018, 18:15, "JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD" <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>:<br><br>Hi Willy,<br><br>A very simple one (I'm sure there may be other examples).<br><br>A company moves from Europe to Africa (or moves from a DC in Europe to Africa). Never mind is the company or just the hosting service. May be because they have been acquired by an African company, but may be other reasons.<br><br>Without this policy they need to renumber. They may be using their own IPv4, IPv6 and AS, for example with VMs. This is today very common.<br><br>If they move from Europe to other regions, they don't need to renumber.<br><br>If we allow only transfering IPv4, then they will transfer IPv6 under the table, no doubt! It doesn't make sense.<br><br>So the reason for allow AS and IPv6 transfers is not because scarcity, but because networks may be dual-stacked, you need to support that.<br><br>By the way, thir morning I learned from Marco, the policy responsible from RIPE, that last week it was done the first ASN transfer from RIPE to APNIC. So this demonstrates, that it is a not usual case, but it happens. So why we must restrict those cases?<br><br>Regards,<br>Jordi<br><br><br><br>?-----Mensaje original-----<br>De: Willy MANGA <<a href="mailto:mangawilly@gmail.com" target="_blank">mangawilly@gmail.com</a>><br>Fecha: martes, 27 de noviembre de 2018, 18:03<br>Para: <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br>Asunto: Re: [rpd] Policy Proposal Update - Inter-RIR Resource Transfers v2<br><br> Hi,<br><br> Le 21/11/2018 ? 13:47, Sami Salih a ?crit :<br> > Dears AFRINIC PDWG Members,<br> > <br> > The Authors of the policy proposal (Inter-RIR Resource Transfers) has<br> > submitted an update to the proposal document (v2). 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