<div dir="auto">Hi all, <div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">It will be good to check again in deep about the v4 or v6. </div><div dir="auto">Because what Jordi below</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">> If we allow only transfering IPv4, then they will transfer IPv6 under the table, no doubt! It doesn't make sense.</span></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">It will happen surely so persons who are proposing policies have to take care of the point. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Regards</div><div dir="auto">Grace M</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">Le mar. 27 nov. 2018 à 21:03, <<a href="mailto:rpd-request@afrinic.net">rpd-request@afrinic.net</a>> a écrit :<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Send RPD mailing list submissions to<br>
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1. Re: Policy Proposal Update - Inter-RIR Resource Transfers v2<br>
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2. Re: Policy Proposal Update - Inter-RIR Resource Transfers v2<br>
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Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 11:08:19 -0800<br>
From: Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">owen@delong.com</a>><br>
To: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <<a href="mailto:jordi.palet@consulintel.es" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">jordi.palet@consulintel.es</a>><br>
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Subject: Re: [rpd] Policy Proposal Update - Inter-RIR Resource<br>
Transfers v2<br>
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Actually, Jordi, under existing RIPE policies, they don?t need to renumber unless they are looking to terminate their relationship with RIPE NCC.<br>
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> On Nov 27, 2018, at 09:13 , JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Hi Willy,<br>
> <br>
> A very simple one (I'm sure there may be other examples).<br>
> <br>
> A company moves from Europe to Africa (or moves from a DC in Europe to Africa). Never mind is the company or just the hosting service. May be because they have been acquired by an African company, but may be other reasons.<br>
> <br>
> Without this policy they need to renumber. They may be using their own IPv4, IPv6 and AS, for example with VMs. This is today very common.<br>
> <br>
> If they move from Europe to other regions, they don't need to renumber.<br>
> <br>
> If we allow only transfering IPv4, then they will transfer IPv6 under the table, no doubt! It doesn't make sense.<br>
> <br>
> So the reason for allow AS and IPv6 transfers is not because scarcity, but because networks may be dual-stacked, you need to support that.<br>
> <br>
> By the way, thir morning I learned from Marco, the policy responsible from RIPE, that last week it was done the first ASN transfer from RIPE to APNIC. So this demonstrates, that it is a not usual case, but it happens. So why we must restrict those cases?<br>
> <br>
> Regards,<br>
> Jordi<br>
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> ?-----Mensaje original-----<br>
> De: Willy MANGA <<a href="mailto:mangawilly@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">mangawilly@gmail.com</a>><br>
> Fecha: martes, 27 de noviembre de 2018, 18:03<br>
> Para: <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br>
> Asunto: Re: [rpd] Policy Proposal Update - Inter-RIR Resource Transfers v2<br>
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> Hi,<br>
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> Le 21/11/2018 ? 13:47, Sami Salih a ?crit :<br>
>> Dears AFRINIC PDWG Members,<br>
>> <br>
>> The Authors of the policy proposal (Inter-RIR Resource Transfers) has<br>
>> submitted an update to the proposal document (v2). Please find the<br>
>> updates on the link below:<br>
>> <br>
>> <a href="https://afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2018-gen-003-d2" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2018-gen-003-d2</a> <br>
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> Can we have some use case of IPv6 transfer between RIR ?<br>
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Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 21:02:19 +0100<br>
From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <<a href="mailto:jordi.palet@consulintel.es" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">jordi.palet@consulintel.es</a>><br>
To: Kangamutima zabika Christophe <<a href="mailto:funga.roho@yandex.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">funga.roho@yandex.com</a>>, Willy MANGA<br>
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Subject: Re: [rpd] Policy Proposal Update - Inter-RIR Resource<br>
Transfers v2<br>
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There is no need for that.<br>
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If there is a M&A, this proposal will help to do that, and at the same time the company will need to sign the AfriNIC membership, so in the benefit of the community, those resources will become part of the AfriNIC pool.<br>
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De: Kangamutima zabika Christophe <<a href="mailto:funga.roho@yandex.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">funga.roho@yandex.com</a>><br>
Fecha: martes, 27 de noviembre de 2018, 20:03<br>
Para: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <<a href="mailto:jordi.palet@consulintel.es" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">jordi.palet@consulintel.es</a>>, Willy MANGA <<a href="mailto:mangawilly@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">mangawilly@gmail.com</a>>, "<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">rpd@afrinic.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br>
Asunto: Re: [rpd] Policy Proposal Update - Inter-RIR Resource Transfers v2<br>
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Toute entreprise qui vient s'installer en Afrique ? l'issu d'une fusion ou d'une acquisition devra solliciter des ressources aupr?s d'Afrinic. Dans le cout d'acquisition d'une entreprise tous ces frais sont pris en compte. Ce sont nos r?gles et souhaitons qu'elles demeurent peu importe si en Asie ils se sont laiss?s emport?s par par des sch?mas caricaturaux comme celui propos? dans ce projet de reglement.<br>
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Je m'y oppose fermement. <br>
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27.11.2018, 18:15, "JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD" <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>:<br>
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Hi Willy,<br>
<br>
A very simple one (I'm sure there may be other examples).<br>
<br>
A company moves from Europe to Africa (or moves from a DC in Europe to Africa). Never mind is the company or just the hosting service. May be because they have been acquired by an African company, but may be other reasons.<br>
<br>
Without this policy they need to renumber. They may be using their own IPv4, IPv6 and AS, for example with VMs. This is today very common.<br>
<br>
If they move from Europe to other regions, they don't need to renumber.<br>
<br>
If we allow only transfering IPv4, then they will transfer IPv6 under the table, no doubt! It doesn't make sense.<br>
<br>
So the reason for allow AS and IPv6 transfers is not because scarcity, but because networks may be dual-stacked, you need to support that.<br>
<br>
By the way, thir morning I learned from Marco, the policy responsible from RIPE, that last week it was done the first ASN transfer from RIPE to APNIC. So this demonstrates, that it is a not usual case, but it happens. So why we must restrict those cases?<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Jordi<br>
<br>
<br>
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?-----Mensaje original-----<br>
De: Willy MANGA <<a href="mailto:mangawilly@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">mangawilly@gmail.com</a>><br>
Fecha: martes, 27 de noviembre de 2018, 18:03<br>
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Asunto: Re: [rpd] Policy Proposal Update - Inter-RIR Resource Transfers v2<br>
<br>
Hi,<br>
<br>
Le 21/11/2018 ? 13:47, Sami Salih a ?crit :<br>
> Dears AFRINIC PDWG Members,<br>
> <br>
> The Authors of the policy proposal (Inter-RIR Resource Transfers) has<br>
> submitted an update to the proposal document (v2). Please find the<br>
> updates on the link below:<br>
> <br>
> <a href="https://afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2018-gen-003-d2" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2018-gen-003-d2</a> <br>
<br>
Can we have some use case of IPv6 transfer between RIR ?<br>
<br>
<br>
-- <br>
Willy Manga<br>
@ongolaboy<br>
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