<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">I’m not sure that ARIN allows inter-RIR transfer of v6 even in the case of M&A, but I’d have to reread section 8.4 and 8.5 to be sure.<br class=""><div><br class=""></div><div>In any case, I do support AfriNIC adopting the language you’ve proposed below.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Owen</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Nov 27, 2018, at 13:39 , JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <<a href="mailto:jordi.palet@consulintel.es" class="">jordi.palet@consulintel.es</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">Got it now, thanks!<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">So, if we accept the proposed text (In the case of IPv6 and/or ASNs, the transfer is limited to cases such as merger/acquisition/relocation of a company and/or the devices (whether physical or virtual) using those resources. Similar cases will be subjected to the AfriNIC staff scrutiny), that will be also “reciprocal” with the ARIN policy, I guess?<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">In that case there will be 3 participants, and in LACNIC I’ve the same proposal, so it may become 4. I’m happy also to submit and equivalent policy proposal in APNIC, if needed, of course.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10.5pt;" class=""><br class="">Regards,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10.5pt;" class="">Jordi<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10.5pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">De:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">owen@delong.com</a>><br class=""><b class="">Fecha:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>martes, 27 de noviembre de 2018, 22:33<br class=""><b class="">Para:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <<a href="mailto:jordi.palet@consulintel.es" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">jordi.palet@consulintel.es</a>><br class=""><b class="">CC:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>good thinker <<a href="mailto:gracemupoyi@gmail.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">gracemupoyi@gmail.com</a>>, rpd List <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br class=""><b class="">Asunto:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re: [rpd] RPD Digest, Vol 146, Issue 26<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I mean I am not convinced that it is true that people will transfer IPv6 under the table.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">ARIN currently has no provisions for IPv6 transfers outside of M&A and it has not been a problem in our community.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">To the best of my knowledge, neither APNIC nor LACNIC provide for the transfer of IPv6 resources outside of M&A, either, though I admit I haven’t looked in detail in a while and I might have missed some changes, especially in LACNIC.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">As such, I believe that since RIPE is the only RIR that allows IPv6 transfers currently, there is currently no effective inter-RIR IPv6 transfer policy for AfriNIC to fall behind on, as RIPEs policy currently effectively allows RIPE to transfer IPv6 to/from no other RIR by virtue of the lack of supporting policy in any other RIR.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Owen<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><br class=""><br class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class="" type="cite"><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On Nov 27, 2018, at 13:27 , JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <<a href="mailto:jordi.palet@consulintel.es" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">jordi.palet@consulintel.es</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">I’m not sure I’ve then previously understood what “goodthinker” was meaning …</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10.5pt;" class=""><br class="">Regards,</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10.5pt;" class="">Jordi</span><o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10.5pt;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;" class=""><div style="margin-left: 35.4pt;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">De:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">owen@delong.com</a>><br class=""><b class="">Fecha:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>martes, 27 de noviembre de 2018, 22:26<br class=""><b class="">Para:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>good thinker <<a href="mailto:gracemupoyi@gmail.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">gracemupoyi@gmail.com</a>><br class=""><b class="">CC:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>rpd List <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br class=""><b class="">Asunto:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re: [rpd] RPD Digest, Vol 146, Issue 26</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin-left: 35.4pt;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin-left: 35.4pt;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I’m not convinced that is true.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin-left: 35.4pt;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin-left: 35.4pt;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Owen<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin-left: 35.4pt;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin-left: 35.4pt;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class="" type="cite"><div class=""><div style="margin-left: 35.4pt;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On Nov 27, 2018, at 12:44 , good thinker <<a href="mailto:gracemupoyi@gmail.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: purple;" class="">gracemupoyi@gmail.com</span></a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin-left: 35.4pt;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin-left: 35.4pt;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Hi all, <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin-left: 35.4pt;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin-left: 35.4pt;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">It will be good to check again in deep about the v4 or v6. <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin-left: 35.4pt;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Because what Jordi below<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin-left: 35.4pt;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin-left: 35.4pt;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">> If we allow only transfering IPv4, then they will transfer IPv6 under the table, no doubt! It doesn't make sense.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin-left: 35.4pt;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin-left: 35.4pt;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">It will happen surely so persons who are proposing policies have to take care of the point. <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin-left: 35.4pt;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin-left: 35.4pt;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Regards<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin-left: 35.4pt;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Grace M<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div style="margin-left: 35.4pt;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin-left: 35.4pt;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Le mar. 27 nov. 2018 à 21:03, <<a href="mailto:rpd-request@afrinic.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: purple;" class="">rpd-request@afrinic.net</span></a>> a écrit :<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-width: 1pt; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt; margin: 5pt 0cm 5pt 4.8pt;" class="" type="cite"><div style="margin-left: 35.4pt;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Send RPD mailing list submissions to<br class=""> <span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: purple;" class="">rpd@afrinic.net</span></a><br class=""><br class="">To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br class=""> <span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: purple;" class="">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</span></a><br class="">or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br class=""> <span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:rpd-request@afrinic.net" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: purple;" class="">rpd-request@afrinic.net</span></a><br class=""><br class="">You can reach the person managing the list at<br class=""> <span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:rpd-owner@afrinic.net" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: purple;" class="">rpd-owner@afrinic.net</span></a><br class=""><br class="">When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br class="">than "Re: Contents of RPD digest..."<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">Today's Topics:<br class=""><br class=""> 1. Re: Policy Proposal Update - Inter-RIR Resource Transfers v2<br class=""> (Owen DeLong)<br class=""> 2. Re: Policy Proposal Update - Inter-RIR Resource Transfers v2<br class=""> (JORDI PALET MARTINEZ)<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">----------------------------------------------------------------------<br class=""><br class="">Message: 1<br class="">Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 11:08:19 -0800<br class="">From: Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: purple;" class="">owen@delong.com</span></a>><br class="">To: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <<a href="mailto:jordi.palet@consulintel.es" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: purple;" class="">jordi.palet@consulintel.es</span></a>><br class="">Cc:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: purple;" class="">rpd@afrinic.net</span></a><br class="">Subject: Re: [rpd] Policy Proposal Update - Inter-RIR Resource<br class=""> Transfers v2<br class="">Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:E6EEF99B-4D79-4F9A-B526-53567DDB7FE0@delong.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: purple;" class="">E6EEF99B-4D79-4F9A-B526-53567DDB7FE0@delong.com</span></a>><br class="">Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8<br class=""><br class="">Actually, Jordi, under existing RIPE policies, they don?t need to renumber unless they are looking to terminate their relationship with RIPE NCC.<br class=""><br class="">Owen<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">> On Nov 27, 2018, at 09:13 , JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: purple;" class="">rpd@afrinic.net</span></a>> wrote:<br class="">><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">> Hi Willy,<br class="">><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">> A very simple one (I'm sure there may be other examples).<br class="">><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">> A company moves from Europe to Africa (or moves from a DC in Europe to Africa). Never mind is the company or just the hosting service. May be because they have been acquired by an African company, but may be other reasons.<br class="">><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">> Without this policy they need to renumber. They may be using their own IPv4, IPv6 and AS, for example with VMs. This is today very common.<br class="">><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">> If they move from Europe to other regions, they don't need to renumber.<br class="">><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">> If we allow only transfering IPv4, then they will transfer IPv6 under the table, no doubt! It doesn't make sense.<br class="">><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">> So the reason for allow AS and IPv6 transfers is not because scarcity, but because networks may be dual-stacked, you need to support that.<br class="">><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">> By the way, thir morning I learned from Marco, the policy responsible from RIPE, that last week it was done the first ASN transfer from RIPE to APNIC. So this demonstrates, that it is a not usual case, but it happens. So why we must restrict those cases?<br class="">><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">> Regards,<br class="">> Jordi<br class="">><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">> ?-----Mensaje original-----<br class="">> De: Willy MANGA <<a href="mailto:mangawilly@gmail.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: purple;" class="">mangawilly@gmail.com</span></a>><br class="">> Fecha: martes, 27 de noviembre de 2018, 18:03<br class="">> Para: <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: purple;" class="">rpd@afrinic.net</span></a>><br class="">> Asunto: Re: [rpd] Policy Proposal Update - Inter-RIR Resource Transfers v2<br class="">><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">> Hi,<br class="">><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">> Le 21/11/2018 ? 13:47, Sami Salih a ?crit :<br class="">>> Dears AFRINIC PDWG Members,<br class="">>><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">>> The Authors of the policy proposal (Inter-RIR Resource Transfers) has<br class="">>> submitted an update to the proposal document (v2). 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Dans le cout d'acquisition d'une entreprise tous ces frais sont pris en compte. Ce sont nos r?gles et souhaitons qu'elles demeurent peu importe si en Asie ils se sont laiss?s emport?s par par des sch?mas caricaturaux comme celui propos? dans ce projet de reglement.<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">Je m'y oppose fermement.<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">Kangamutima<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">27.11.2018, 18:15, "JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD" <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: purple;" class="">rpd@afrinic.net</span></a>>:<br class=""><br class="">Hi Willy,<br class=""><br class="">A very simple one (I'm sure there may be other examples).<br class=""><br class="">A company moves from Europe to Africa (or moves from a DC in Europe to Africa). Never mind is the company or just the hosting service. May be because they have been acquired by an African company, but may be other reasons.<br class=""><br class="">Without this policy they need to renumber. They may be using their own IPv4, IPv6 and AS, for example with VMs. This is today very common.<br class=""><br class="">If they move from Europe to other regions, they don't need to renumber.<br class=""><br class="">If we allow only transfering IPv4, then they will transfer IPv6 under the table, no doubt! It doesn't make sense.<br class=""><br class="">So the reason for allow AS and IPv6 transfers is not because scarcity, but because networks may be dual-stacked, you need to support that.<br class=""><br class="">By the way, thir morning I learned from Marco, the policy responsible from RIPE, that last week it was done the first ASN transfer from RIPE to APNIC. So this demonstrates, that it is a not usual case, but it happens. So why we must restrict those cases?<br class=""><br class="">Regards,<br class="">Jordi<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">?-----Mensaje original-----<br class="">De: Willy MANGA <<a href="mailto:mangawilly@gmail.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: purple;" class="">mangawilly@gmail.com</span></a>><br class="">Fecha: martes, 27 de noviembre de 2018, 18:03<br class="">Para: <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: purple;" class="">rpd@afrinic.net</span></a>><br class="">Asunto: Re: [rpd] Policy Proposal Update - Inter-RIR Resource Transfers v2<br class=""><br class=""> Hi,<br class=""><br class=""> Le 21/11/2018 ? 13:47, Sami Salih a ?crit :<br class=""> > Dears AFRINIC PDWG Members,<br class=""> ><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""> > The Authors of the policy proposal (Inter-RIR Resource Transfers) has<br class=""> > submitted an update to the proposal document (v2). Please find the<br class=""> > updates on the link below:<br class=""> ><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""> ><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2018-gen-003-d2" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: purple;" class="">https://afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2018-gen-003-d2</span></a><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><br class=""> Can we have some use case of IPv6 transfer between RIR ?<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""> --<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""> Willy Manga<br class=""> @ongolaboy<br class=""> <span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://ongola.blogspot.com/" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: purple;" class="">https://ongola.blogspot.com/</span></a><br class=""><br class=""> _______________________________________________<br class=""> RPD mailing list<br class=""> <span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: purple;" class="">RPD@afrinic.net</span></a><br class=""> <span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: purple;" class="">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</span></a><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">**********************************************<br class="">IPv4 is over<br class="">Are you ready for the new Internet ?<br class=""><a href="http://www.theipv6company.com/" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: purple;" class="">http://www.theipv6company.com</span></a><br class="">The IPv6 Company<br class=""><br class="">This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. 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