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--></style></head><body lang=ES link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I tried to use google translator to understand your point, but didn’t worked, so I’m not sure what to respond.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>There is a need for this. This is the justification. If AfriNIC doesn’t allow those transfers, Africa is behind the rest of the world, that’s why I’m proposing this.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'><br>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Jordi<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>De: </span></b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Kangamutima zabika Christophe <funga.roho@yandex.com><br><b>Fecha: </b>martes, 27 de noviembre de 2018, 21:06<br><b>Para: </b>JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet@consulintel.es>, Willy MANGA <mangawilly@gmail.com>, "rpd@afrinic.net" <rpd@afrinic.net><br><b>Asunto: </b>Re: [rpd] Policy Proposal Update - Inter-RIR Resource Transfers v2<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Je ne vois aucun besoin justifiant ce projet de règlement. Pourquoi créer l'offre d'un service qui n'a pas demande justificative.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>KANGAMUTIMA ZABIKA<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>27.11.2018, 21:02, "JORDI PALET MARTINEZ" <jordi.palet@consulintel.es>:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:35.4pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span lang=EN-US>There is no need for that.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:35.4pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span lang=EN-US> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:35.4pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span lang=EN-US>If there is a M&A, this proposal will help to do that, and at the same time the company will need to sign the AfriNIC membership, so in the benefit of the community, those resources will become part of the AfriNIC pool.</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:35.4pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><br><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'>Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'>Jordi</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:35.4pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span lang=EN-US> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:35.4pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span lang=EN-US> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p style='margin-left:70.8pt'><strong><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>De: </span></strong><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Kangamutima zabika Christophe <<a href="mailto:funga.roho@yandex.com">funga.roho@yandex.com</a>><br><strong><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Fecha: </span></strong>martes, 27 de noviembre de 2018, 20:03<br><strong><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Para: </span></strong>JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <<a href="mailto:jordi.palet@consulintel.es">jordi.palet@consulintel.es</a>>, Willy MANGA <<a href="mailto:mangawilly@gmail.com">mangawilly@gmail.com</a>>, "<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net">rpd@afrinic.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br><strong><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Asunto: </span></strong>Re: [rpd] Policy Proposal Update - Inter-RIR Resource Transfers v2</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p style='margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><p style='margin-left:70.8pt'>Toute entreprise qui vient s'installer en Afrique à l'issu d'une fusion ou d'une acquisition devra solliciter des ressources auprès d'Afrinic. Dans le cout d'acquisition d'une entreprise tous ces frais sont pris en compte. Ce sont nos règles et souhaitons qu'elles demeurent peu importe si en Asie ils se sont laissés emportés par par des schémas caricaturaux comme celui proposé dans ce projet de reglement.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p style='margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p style='margin-left:70.8pt'>Je m'y oppose fermement. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p style='margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p style='margin-left:70.8pt'>Kangamutima<o:p></o:p></p><div><p style='margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p style='margin-left:70.8pt'>27.11.2018, 18:15, "JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD" <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p style='margin-left:70.8pt'>Hi Willy,<br><br>A very simple one (I'm sure there may be other examples).<br><br>A company moves from Europe to Africa (or moves from a DC in Europe to Africa). Never mind is the company or just the hosting service. May be because they have been acquired by an African company, but may be other reasons.<br><br>Without this policy they need to renumber. They may be using their own IPv4, IPv6 and AS, for example with VMs. This is today very common.<br><br>If they move from Europe to other regions, they don't need to renumber.<br><br>If we allow only transfering IPv4, then they will transfer IPv6 under the table, no doubt! It doesn't make sense.<br><br>So the reason for allow AS and IPv6 transfers is not because scarcity, but because networks may be dual-stacked, you need to support that.<br><br>By the way, thir morning I learned from Marco, the policy responsible from RIPE, that last week it was done the first ASN transfer from RIPE to APNIC. So this demonstrates, that it is a not usual case, but it happens. So why we must restrict those cases?<br><br>Regards,<br>Jordi<br><br><br><br>-----Mensaje original-----<br>De: Willy MANGA <<a href="http://touch/compose?to=mangawilly@gmail.com">mangawilly@gmail.com</a>><br>Fecha: martes, 27 de noviembre de 2018, 18:03<br>Para: <<a href="http://touch/compose?to=rpd@afrinic.net">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br>Asunto: Re: [rpd] Policy Proposal Update - Inter-RIR Resource Transfers v2<br><br> Hi,<br><br> Le 21/11/2018 à 13:47, Sami Salih a écrit :<br> > Dears AFRINIC PDWG Members,<br> ><br> > The Authors of the policy proposal (Inter-RIR Resource Transfers) has<br> > submitted an update to the proposal document (v2). Please find the<br> > updates on the link below:<br> ><br> > <a href="https://afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2018-gen-003-d2" target="_blank">https://afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2018-gen-003-d2</a><br><br> Can we have some use case of IPv6 transfer between RIR ?<br><br><br> --<br> Willy Manga<br> @ongolaboy<br> <a href="https://ongola.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">https://ongola.blogspot.com/</a><br><br> _______________________________________________<br> RPD mailing list<br> <a href="http://touch/compose?to=RPD@afrinic.net">RPD@afrinic.net</a><br> <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a><br><br><br><br><br>**********************************************<br>IPv4 is over<br>Are you ready for the new Internet ?<br><a href="http://www.theipv6company.com/" target="_blank">http://www.theipv6company.com</a><br>The IPv6 Company<br><br>This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. 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