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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/14/18 2:56 PM, Paschal Ochang
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If they are still legacy ipv4 addresses out there then we need to
balance the quota of legacy resource inflow and outflow as it
currently seems like Africa has more legacy ipv4 resources to
harvest from. Correct me if I am wrong but I think other RIRs
stand to benefit more from this policy than Africa.<br>
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<p>How much more legacy space is outside Africa than inside? Legacy
space was allocated before April 1992 (RIPE-NCC) in northern
Africa, or before April 1997 (ARIN) in sub-Saharan Africa. Surely
there is significantly more legacy space (out of those thousands
of class B's) outside Africa than inside? But I'm not sure exactly
how to decide who "benefits more." <br>
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<p>I would like to know how much legacy space is in AFRINIC's Whois.
We don't know whether it's a very small amount that doesn't matter
(and won't meet demand) or if it's a very large amount that would,
if transferred out, deplete African networks of their vital
addresses.<br>
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<p>In about six months, AFRINIC will hit Exhaustion Phase 2, where
(under current policy) the maximum allocation size will be a /22,
and the assignment period (an undefined term in the policy manual,
as far as I can tell) will be changed to eight months. When that
happens, will the supply of IPv4 address in the AFRINIC region
meet demand? If not, what then?<br>
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<p>Lee<br>
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cite="mid:CAMU0wT7Q2PjTfWE8sYAsB=jDr_b2dmiNwkOvJicGWnYyw6W6EA@mail.gmail.com">On
Thursday, November 8, 2018, Lee Howard <<a
href="mailto:lee.howard@retevia.net" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">lee.howard@retevia.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I haven't done
my own analysis, but I'm told there are still thousands of
legacy Class B's (/16s) that are unrouted or under-utilized.<br>
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Lee<br>
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On 11/8/18 7:11 AM, Daniel Yakmut via RPD wrote:<br>
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The question generally is there any legacy IPv4 outside
AfriNIC region that is not in use and could possibly be moved
freely to Africa? I doubt. Hence, I don't see the need for
this statement.<br>
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From: "JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD" <<a
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To: "Marcus K. G. Adomey" <<a
href="mailto:madomey@hotmail.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">madomey@hotmail.com</a>>, "RPD"
<<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>, "Sami Salih"
<<a href="mailto:sami.salih@outlook.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">sami.salih@outlook.com</a>><br>
Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 5:13:00 PM<br>
Subject: Re: [rpd] New Policy Proposal - Inter-RIR Resource
Transfers (AFPUB-2018-GEN-003-DRAFT01)<br>
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Hi Marcus,<br>
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I’ve changed the subject so it is not confusing …<br>
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First of all, thanks for your inputs!<br>
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I recall the previous proposals, and I’m trying with this
proposal, precisely, to protect the AfriNIC resources, but at
the same time allow this region to participate in the global
market and ensure that any operations are registered instead
of happening under the table.<br>
<br>
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However, I have the feeling that you’re interpreting the text
on the other way around.<br>
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This proposal is facilitating * any * IPv4 (and ASN) resources
from other regions to be transferred to AfriNIC.<br>
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On the other direction * only * legacy IPv4 (and ASN)
resources can be transferred from AfriNIC to other RIRs.<br>
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I will encourage you to read it again, and tell us where you
believe that my text is broken so you are misunderstanding it,
and ten I can do a better work in a new version.<br>
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<br>
Thanks!<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
Jordi<br>
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De: "Marcus K. G. Adomey" <<a
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moz-do-not-send="true">madomey@hotmail.com</a>><br>
Fecha: jueves, 1 de noviembre de 2018, 16:35<br>
Para: RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>, Sami Salih
<<a href="mailto:sami.salih@outlook.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">sami.salih@outlook.com</a>><br>
Asunto: Re: [rpd] New Policy Proposal - Simple Update of the
PDP (AFPUB-2018-GEN-002-DRAFT01)<br>
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Dear Jordi,<br>
<br>
<br>
I have read the policy proposal you have submitted on October
26, 2018 and titled “Inter-RIR Resource Transfers” with the
reference name AFPUB-2018-GEN-003-DRAFT01 [1].<br>
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<br>
You may recall, the IPv4 inter-RIR transfer proposal was
previously discussed and withdrawn as it failed to rally
consensus on the problem(s) it was supposed to address for
this region.<br>
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This proposal stated :<br>
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"This Proposal currently does not attempt to address Legacy
Resources (IPv4 and ASN's) - that is resources that are in the
AFRINIC Region and were acquired before ARIN existed. Legacy
Resources may be moved out of the AFRINIC region and
redeployed freely. They may however be subject to the
receiving RIR's policies."<br>
<br>
<br>
Later on the community adopted an IPv4 Intra-RIR transfer
policy which was implemented recently. The policy stated :<br>
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" 5.7.2 IPv4 resources to be transferred must be from an
existing AFRINIC members account or from a Legacy Resource
Holder in the AFRINIC service region."<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Your new proposal uses different rhetoric with more elaborated
background and problem statement which is addressing no issue
of this community. The problems you put across don’t stand the
test of validity. Rather, your draft policy is addressing the
issue of lack of IPV4 in the other regions.<br>
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<br>
Your policy seems to propose inter-RIR transfer for IPV6 and
legacy IPV4 and ASN. The need for these in our region is
doubtful<br>
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I therefore oppose the policy<br>
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<br>
Thank you,<br>
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<br>
Marcus Adomey<br>
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[1] https :// <a href="http://afrinic.net" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">afrinic.net</a> / en /community/
policy-development / policy-proposals
/2539-inter-rir-resource-trans<wbr>fers<br>
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[2] https :// <a href="http://afrinic.net" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">afrinic.net</a> /community/
policy-development / policy-proposals
/1499-number-resources-transfe<wbr>r-policy<br>
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From: Sami Salih <<a href="mailto:sami.salih@outlook.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">sami.salih@outlook.com</a>><br>
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2018 9:37:20 AM<br>
To: rpd<br>
Subject: [rpd] New Policy Proposal - Simple Update of the PDP
(AFPUB-2018-GEN-002-DRAFT01)<br>
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Dears AFRINIC PDWG Members,<br>
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<br>
Greetings,<br>
<br>
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<br>
A new new policy proposal has been received and published as
follows:<br>
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Proposal : Simple Update of the PDP<br>
Ref.No : AFPUB-2018-GEN-002-DRAFT01<br>
Author : Jordi Palet Martinez<br>
Link : <a
href="https://afrinic.net/en/community/policy-development/policy-proposals/2535-simple-update-of-the-pdp"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://afrinic.net/en/communi<wbr>ty/policy-development/policy-p<wbr>roposals/2535-simple-update-of<wbr>-the-pdp</a><br>
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Your participation and contribution are welcome.<br>
<br>
Sincerely,<br>
<br>
PDWG Co-chairs<br>
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Dr. Sami H.O. Salih<br>
Assistant Prof, School of Electronics Engineering, SUST<br>
Head of R&D, NTC, SUDAN<br>
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