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Hi Jordi, <br>
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Let us consider your two following statements and you will understand that your draft proposal is addressing no issue in our region rather in the other regions:
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1. “This proposal is facilitating *any* IPv4 (and ASN) resources from other regions to be transferred to AfriNIC”.
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OK. <br>
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That would have been good. It was suggested that as we are later player, other RIRs (especially APNIC, ARIN, RIPE NCC) should allow IPv4 to flow freely to the region.
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The inbound transfer policy were abandoned due among other things to the compatibility and reciprocity requirements imposed by them.
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But, this region has addressed the need for IPv4 with the remaining AFRINIC pool and the Intra-RIR policy.
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It has been raised here that, people don't want AFRICA to turn to new IPv4 paradise when the rest is investing in IPv6.
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Use the v4 available within region to accommodate IPv6. <br>
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You from the IPv6 company asks with your mail signature: “IPv4 is over, are you ready for the new Internet?"
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2. “In the other direction *only* legacy IPv4 (and ASN) resources can be transferred from AfriNIC to other RIRs”.
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Legacy are always free to move(in and out) and we encourage them to be used in the region and the intra-RIR transfer encourages them to join the normal AFRINIC pool.
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I am not sure that allowing legacy-only out of this region will make this region inter-RIR transfer compatible and reciprocal as required by them to allow the "any inbound".
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So i don't see any new meat here compared to the previous inbound transfer proposal and again, this is not solving a real problem for this region.
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Thanks <br>
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Marcus <br>
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, November 1, 2018 4:13:00 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Marcus K. G. Adomey; RPD; Sami Salih<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [rpd] New Policy Proposal - Inter-RIR Resource Transfers (AFPUB-2018-GEN-003-DRAFT01)</font>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="ES-TRAD" style="">Hi Marcus,</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="">I’ve changed the subject so it is not confusing …</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="">First of all, thanks for your inputs!</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="">I recall the previous proposals, and I’m trying with this proposal, precisely, to protect the AfriNIC resources, but at the same time allow this region to participate in the global market and ensure that any
operations are registered instead of happening under the table.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="">However, I have the feeling that you’re interpreting the text on the other way around.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="">This proposal is facilitating *<b>any</b>* IPv4 (and ASN) resources from other regions to be transferred to AfriNIC.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="">On the other direction *<b>only</b>* legacy IPv4 (and ASN) resources can be transferred from AfriNIC to other RIRs.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="">I will encourage you to read it again, and tell us where you believe that my text is broken so you are misunderstanding it, and ten I can do a better work in a new version.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="">Thanks!</span></p>
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</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black">"Marcus K. G. Adomey" <madomey@hotmail.com><br>
<b>Fecha: </b>jueves, 1 de noviembre de 2018, 16:35<br>
<b>Para: </b>RPD <rpd@afrinic.net>, Sami Salih <sami.salih@outlook.com><br>
<b>Asunto: </b>Re: [rpd] New Policy Proposal - Simple Update of the PDP (AFPUB-2018-GEN-002-DRAFT01)</span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:black">Dear Jordi,</span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:black">I have read the policy proposal you have submitted on October 26, 2018 and titled “Inter-RIR Resource Transfers” with the reference name AFPUB-2018-GEN-003-DRAFT01 [1].
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<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:black">You may recall, the IPv4 inter-RIR transfer proposal was previously discussed and withdrawn as it failed to rally consensus on the problem(s) it was supposed to address for this region.</span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:black">This proposal stated :</span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:black">"This Proposal currently does not attempt to address Legacy Resources (IPv4 and ASN's) - that is resources that are in the AFRINIC Region and were acquired before ARIN existed. Legacy Resources may be
moved out of the AFRINIC region and redeployed freely. They may however be subject to the receiving RIR's policies."</span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:black">Later on the community adopted an IPv4 Intra-RIR transfer policy which was implemented recently. The policy stated :</span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:black">" 5.7.2 IPv4 resources to be transferred must be from an existing AFRINIC members account or from a Legacy Resource Holder in the AFRINIC service region."<br>
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<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:black">Your new proposal uses different rhetoric with more elaborated background and problem statement which is addressing no issue of this community. The problems you put across don’t stand the test of validity.
Rather, your draft policy is addressing the issue of lack of IPV4 in the other regions.</span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:black">Your policy seems to propose inter-RIR transfer for IPV6 and legacy IPV4 and ASN. The need for these in our region is doubtful
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<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:black">I therefore oppose the policy</span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:black">Thank you,<br>
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<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:black">Marcus Adomey<br>
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<a href="https://afrinic.net/en/community/policy-development/policy-proposals/2539-inter-rir-resource-transfers">
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<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:black">[2] <a href="https://afrinic.net/community/policy-development/policy-proposals/1499-number-resources-transfer-policy">
https</a><a href="https://afrinic.net/community/policy-development/policy-proposals/1499-number-resources-transfer-policy">://</a><a href="https://afrinic.net/community/policy-development/policy-proposals/1499-number-resources-transfer-policy">afrinic.net</a><a href="https://afrinic.net/community/policy-development/policy-proposals/1499-number-resources-transfer-policy">/community/</a><a href="https://afrinic.net/community/policy-development/policy-proposals/1499-number-resources-transfer-policy">policy-development</a><a href="https://afrinic.net/community/policy-development/policy-proposals/1499-number-resources-transfer-policy">/</a><a href="https://afrinic.net/community/policy-development/policy-proposals/1499-number-resources-transfer-policy">policy-proposals</a><a href="https://afrinic.net/community/policy-development/policy-proposals/1499-number-resources-transfer-policy">/1499-number-resources-transfer-policy</a></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><b><span style="color:black">From:</span></b><span style="color:black"> Sami Salih <sami.salih@outlook.com><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 30, 2018 9:37:20 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> rpd<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [rpd] New Policy Proposal - Simple Update of the PDP (AFPUB-2018-GEN-002-DRAFT01)</span>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt; background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:black; background:white">Dears AFRINIC PDWG Members,</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt; background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:black; background:white">A new new policy proposal has been received and published as follows:</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:black; background:white"><br>
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</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:black; background:white">Proposal : Simple Update of the PDP</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:black; background:white"><br>
</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:black; background:white">Ref.No : AFPUB-2018-GEN-002-DRAFT01</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:black; background:white"><br>
</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:black; background:white">Author : Jordi Palet Martinez</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:black; background:white"><br>
</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:black; background:white">Link : <a href="https://afrinic.net/en/community/policy-development/policy-proposals/2535-simple-update-of-the-pdp">https://afrinic.net/en/community/policy-development/policy-proposals/2535-simple-update-of-the-pdp</a></span><span style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt; background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:black; background:white">Your participation and contribution are welcome.</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt; color:black; background:white"></span></p>
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