<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">Owen,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I did not know in 2016 that I will be associated to an ip broker project. I am sorry that my "African magic" was not sufficient to predict this future.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The intra-RIR policy was adopted by the community and implemented by AFRINIC. Hence, one would expect Brokers to emerge on the continent.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Let me repeat:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The original proposal of SL-bis did not contain any limitation beyond the change on the max allocation size in phase 1. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The revision history of the proposal is very explicit on the changes. The limitations proposed by Sl-SD team were incorporated into the SL-BIS after the Nairobi meeting based on discussions at the PPM and on list after the PPM. PPM minutes and RPD archives are available to prove that. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Policy proposals evolve beyond the control of the initiators. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">So, let us not redo the SL-bis discussions on the same issues again, and let us move forward.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thanks</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">—Alain</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 6 Jun 2018, at 18:48, Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" class="">owen@delong.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jun 6, 2018, at 06:34 , ALAIN AINA <<a href="mailto:aalain@trstech.net" class="">aalain@trstech.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class="">Hi Andrew,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I know that the SL-BIS policy proposal still giving you insomnia, but relax.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">It is bizarre that i co-authored the SL-bis since February 2016 and the Intra-RIR v4 transfer proposal, the 23rd may 2016 and you did not see the so-called conflict.</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div>Considering that it was not known at that time that you intended to be a broker (at least not to Andrew, nor myself), why is it bizarre?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Both elements must be known in order to become aware of the conflict.</div><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><div class="">Now back to your point, i don't see how the SL-bis proposal submitted in February 2016 creates a v4 shortage. It was about "fair distribution of the last /8 of v4 and IPv6 deployment”:</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div>Laughable.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">It was about preventing those who need address space now from getting it (i.e. an artificial shortage) in order to have some available for those who do not yet need it but might in the future.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">It has nothing to do with fairness. It’s ostensibly all about keeping a free pool available as long as possible for speculative possible future needs. The only way you can achieve that is by creating an artificial shortage (or, more accurately, artificially worsening the existing shortage) for those that need address space now.</div><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">How does it solve the problem [<a href="https://afrinic.net/en/library/policies/archive/1609-soft-landing-bis" class="">https://afrinic.net/en/library/policies/archive/1609-soft-landing-bis</a>]</div><div class="">========</div><div class="">2) Summary of How this Proposal Addresses the Problem</div><div class="">This policy proposal solves the problem described above by:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Changing the value of the maximum allocation/assignment size during the exhaustion phase 1.</div><div class="">Imposing IPv6 resources as a pre-condition to IPv4 resource requests during the exhaustion.</div><div class="">Reserving address spaces for Critical Internet Infrastructure and new LIRs or End-Users.</div><div class="">Removing the minimum allocation size as this may evolve over time during the exhaustion period.</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div>You left out the part where you create a maximum amount of space per unit of time restriction on applicants.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">That provision (which is part of the policy) is the most controversial and also the most critical to the real intents behind the proposal (denying space to those who need it now to support the ostensible goal of providing it to others later).</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">There are those that argue that such a denial is “fair” and there are those who argue that it is completely unfair.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><div class="">=====</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">and the proposal itself is clear:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">-No explicit limit on the number of times an organization may request additional IPv4 address space during Exhaustion Phases(same as the soft landing policy implemented)</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div>Except that there is… There’s a limit on the amount of space an organization may receive within a given time period which is effectively the same thing.</div><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><b class="">We all know how it evolved and how the SL-SD(*) proposal came in and impacted the original proposal.</b></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The Intra-RiR proposal was meant to address justified needs after exhaustion of Afrinic pool or when AFRINIC cant no longer satisfied such needs. It reached consensus (there was no appeal filled against) and has been implemented.. [<a href="https://www.afrinic.net/en/library/policies/archive/1785-ipv4-resources-transfer-within-the-afrinic-region" class="">https://www.afrinic.net/en/library/policies/archive/1785-ipv4-resources-transfer-within-the-afrinic-region</a>]</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">====</div><div class="">2) Summary of How this Proposal Addresses the Problem</div><div class="">The Policy solves the issue of an African organisation needing IPv4 number resources after the exhaustion of the AFRINIC IPv4 pool or when AFRINIC can no longer satisfy the needs of such an organization.</div><div class="">=======</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">So, overall fair distribution from the last /8 and other remaining blocks and provisions to cover justified needs inside the region after AFRINIC pool exhaustion. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Where is this problem ? </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">You were accused with your proposal of soft-landing-overhaul(**) to fast track the exhaustion of the AFRINIC pool(distribute the last /8 with the max allocation size at /10 instead of the /13 as per current soft landing policy or /15 proposed by SL-bis proposal ) and i should have followed you if i was acting to promote a v4 market.</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div>Actually, not really. Preserving effective shortage against large providers while still facilitating small providers obtaining sufficient IPv4 to be able to avoid IPv6 provides the maximum revenue opportunity for brokers while also being maximally destructive to the progress of a free and open internet. SL-BIS does exactly this.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Fast tracking run-out, OTOH, brings AfriNIC in line with the rest of the world and helps get everyone moving towards IPV6 sooner rather than later, thus allowing those who have implemented IPv6 to deprecate their IPv4 albatrosses sooner rather than later, thus allowing the entire internet to move forward sooner rather than later.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">True, it hurts the following parties:</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>CGN vendors because it reduces demand for costly CGN solutions</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Those in denial about IPv6 because it forces them into an uncomfortable reality check.</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Brokers because it reduces the peak value and lifetime of the IPv4 marketplace</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Those sitting on large unused IPv4 pools for the same reasons as brokers.</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Those late to the party who still think they can pursue an IPv4-only strategy for a new business.</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Those late to the party who find it expensive to support remaining IPv4-only customers.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">However, it would be better for the internet overall and would create a greater level of pain for a much shorter period of time vs. SL-BIS which seeks to intensify the pain more gradually while prolonging the duration of that pain and achieving a much higher maximum.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If you believe that SL-BIS actually provides fair distribution or otherwise solves the IPv4 runout problem, then you are like the mythological frog in the pot of water.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The myth says that if you toss a frog in to a pot of hot water, it will jump out and save itself. It goes on to say that if you put the frog in a pot of cold water and slowly bring it to a boil, the frog will not notice and will be boiled to death without reacting.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Turns out that frogs are smarter than the myth would have us believe and do leave when the temperature becomes uncomfortable, regardless of how slowly the temperature rises.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">IPv4 runout is like the water. The rise in temperature is inevitable. SL-BIS will make the rise in temperature slower, and its supporters hope we won’t notice and will continue to sit in the water as we get scalded. SL-SD would rapidly heat the water and provide a clear signal that it would be best for us all to get out of the IPv4 pot and use IPv6.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><div class="">Hope this clarifies and helps the discussions.</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div>While it is a nice set of obfuscations, I think the community will still see through the deception and continue to oppose SL-BIS as it has been doing for a few years now.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Owen</div><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">(*) <a href="https://afrinic.net/en/library/policies/archive/withdrawn-proposals/2089-soft-landing-sd" class="">https://afrinic.net/en/library/policies/archive/withdrawn-proposals/2089-soft-landing-sd</a></div><div class="">(**) <a href="https://afrinic.net/en/library/policies/archive/withdrawn-proposals/1623-soft-landing-overhaul" class="">https://afrinic.net/en/library/policies/archive/withdrawn-proposals/1623-soft-landing-overhaul</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">—Alain</div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 5 Jun 2018, at 10:29, Andrew Alston <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com" class="">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Alain,<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">You have actively supported and fought for the new soft landing policy – to artificially restrict space to entities that need it. <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; 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