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<p>I second Saul's request.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 06/06/2018 08:15, Saul Stein wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I
have been waiting for Alain to respond, but sadly he hasn’t.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">He
has written and with a few colleagues, tried to bulldoze
through a proposal and suggested another, ignoring all
protests and objections while lambasting all and anyone who
stood in his way . A policy that over the past number of
years has cause and fractured this community immeasurably!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">There
is a clear conflict of interest here. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I
therefor call for Alain to withdraw both his soft landing
policy within 24hours. Should that not happen, I call on the
chairs of this group, to use powers of common sense to
reject this policy as a conflict of interest.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I
also call for Alains other proposal to be withdrawn, as it
is clear that this is designed to obscure conflicts of
interest.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Mike,
sadly the motivation here is the issue. In my view there is
no credibility in anyone that berates and divides an
organisation for self-interest as we have seen here. The
proof is the website and LinkedIn, with no denial from Alain
who if this wasn’t true has now had time to investigate.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US"> Mike Burns [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:mike@iptrading.com">mailto:mike@iptrading.com</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> 06 June 2018 02:05 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Owen DeLong <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:owen@delong.com"><owen@delong.com></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> AfriNIC RPD MList. <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net"><rpd@afrinic.net></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [rpd] Questions for Alain...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Hi
Owen,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Simply,
no. His motivation doesn't change the credibility of his
arguments. They stand on their own.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">There
is no place and no need for this, especially with the
subject line, how could it not be ad hominem?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Attacking
the motivation of a person is almost the definition of
argumentum ad hominem.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Mike<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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On Tue, 05 Jun 2018 19:40:12 -0400 <b>Owen DeLong
<<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">owen@delong.com</a>></b>
wrote ----<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">While
I agree ad hominem has no place in policy debates,
I think there is validity in this case to
attacking the credibility of his arguments based
on what is now a visible previously undisclosed
conflict of interest. If he had merely proposed or
advocated for the policy, it would be one thing,
but his intransigent refusal to withdraw the
policy despite repeated rejection by the community
establishes a pattern of facts which invites
scrutiny of his motivations and the credibility of
his arguments in light of recent disclosures.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Owen<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">On
Jun 5, 2018, at 08:03 , Mike Burns <<a
href="mailto:mike@iptrading.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">mike@iptrading.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Hi
Andrew,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">While
I sympathize with your position on the
soft landing proposals, and even
accepting all the facts below are true,
the fact remains that you were attacking
the man (ad hominem) by impugning his
motivations, not his arguments.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Mike<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Andrew
Alston [<a
href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:purple">mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</span></a>] <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Sent:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Tuesday,
June 05, 2018 10:37 AM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">To:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Mike
Burns <<a
href="mailto:mike@iptrading.com"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:purple">mike@iptrading.com</span></a>>;
'Owen DeLong' <<a
href="mailto:owen@delong.com"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:purple">owen@delong.com</span></a>>;
'Chevalier du Borg' <<a
href="mailto:virtual.borg@gmail.com"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:purple">virtual.borg@gmail.com</span></a>><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Cc:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> 'AfriNIC
RPD MList.' <<a
href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:purple">rpd@afrinic.net</span></a>><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Subject:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> RE:
[rpd] Questions for Alain...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Mike,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Nothing
ad-hominem about this – <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Fact
– a policy was proposed that the
community rejected <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Fact
– the community asked for the policy to
be withdrawn – multiple times <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Fact
– Alain refused to withdraw and then
denied that the community had demanded
such – despite it being on video<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Fact
– The policy was some how shoved through
– and appealed <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Fact
– the appeal was granted<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Fact
– Alain then slammed the integrity of
the appeal committee and accused them of
malfeasance – again – that’s on video <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">All
of this – over a 3 period while railing
against people who wanted IP space and
doing everything in his power to ensure
that people could not GET the space they
needed by policy – while also holding a
block of space for his employer that
remains unannounced other than 25% of it
announced by a commercial ASN – while
pushing for an audit policy that anyone
can clearly see was designed to target
specific individuals – and I can name
them.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">To
then turn around and open a broker –
while attempting to use policy to swing
things like this with no declaration of
interest – might be within the rules –
but it is in my opinion – shockingly bad
ethics and at the very least – shows a
total lack of judgement<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Andrew<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Mike
Burns [<a
href="mailto:mike@iptrading.com"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:purple">mailto:mike@iptrading.com</span></a>] <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Sent:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> 05
June 2018 17:11<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">To:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> 'Owen
DeLong' <<a
href="mailto:owen@delong.com"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:purple">owen@delong.com</span></a>>;
'Chevalier du Borg' <<a
href="mailto:virtual.borg@gmail.com"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:purple">virtual.borg@gmail.com</span></a>><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Cc:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> 'AfriNIC
RPD MList.' <<a
href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:purple">rpd@afrinic.net</span></a>><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Subject:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Re:
[rpd] Questions for Alain...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">“There’s
nothing wrong with being a broker” –
Owen<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Thanks
for that, Owen. </span><span
class="font"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Segoe
UI Emoji",sans-serif">😉</span></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">More
to the point, there is nothing wrong
with a broker authoring policy.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I
agree that it’s better to be open about
being a broker when authoring policy.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">However
this thread began entirely as an ad
hominem.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">+1
to the previous poster who said it’s
past time for Africa to get in sync with
the rest of the world regarding the IPv4
market.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Owen
DeLong [<a
href="mailto:owen@delong.com"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:purple">mailto:owen@delong.com</span></a>] <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Sent:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Tuesday,
June 05, 2018 9:14 AM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">To:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Chevalier
du Borg <<a
href="mailto:virtual.borg@gmail.com"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:purple">virtual.borg@gmail.com</span></a>><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Cc:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> AfriNIC
RPD MList. <<a
href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:purple">rpd@afrinic.net</span></a>><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Subject:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Re:
[rpd] Questions for Alain...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">There’s
nothing wrong with being a broker.
However, the SL-BIS proposal is one
which brokers stand to profit from. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Your
analogy of the doctor doesn’t apply
because the doctor isn’t profiting
from it when you stop smoking. Indeed,
you’re improved health might actually
cost him money. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">This
would be more like having the doctor
encourage your smoking and then
discovering that he also owned a
tobacco company. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Not
only is it bad medical advice, but
turns out the doctor stands to profit
from it if the community takes his bad
advice. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Owen<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><br>
<span class="size">On Jun 5, 2018, at
04:19, Chevalier du Borg <<a
href="mailto:virtual.borg@gmail.com"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:purple">virtual.borg@gmail.com</span></a>>
wrote:</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<blockquote
style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Dear
M. Alson<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Is
there a logic arguement in here
somewhere? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Ad-hominem
is not logic<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">After
all, yourself have defended
broker on this list saying there
nothing wrong with it. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The
doctor advise to STOP smoking is
still good advice for you, even
if doctor hisself is a big
smoker.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
class="size"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Le mar.
5 juin 2018 à 14:31, Andrew
Alston <<a
href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:purple">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</span></a>>
a écrit :<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">You
have actively supported
and fought for the new
soft landing policy – to
artificially restrict
space to entities that
need it. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Now,
I’d like to ask – as an
author of the
soft-landing-bis policy
which you have STILL not
withdrawn… aren’t you
just a LITTLE bit
conflicted in trying to
create an artificial
shortage and make it
hard for people to get
space – while starting
and founding an IP
broker in Africa?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Maybe
now we understand the *<b>true</b>*
motivations behind the
soft landing bis
policy….<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><a
href="http://ext-host.trstech.net/ipregistrar/trust_us.html"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:purple">http://ext-host.trstech.net/ipregistrar/trust_us.html</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Andrew<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">RPD
mailing list<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><a
href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:purple">RPD@afrinic.net</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><a
href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:purple">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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</blockquote>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">-- <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Borg
le Chevalier<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">___________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">"Common
sense is what tells us the
world is flat" <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<blockquote
style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
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<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">RPD
mailing list<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><a
href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:purple">RPD@afrinic.net</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><a
href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:purple">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</blockquote>
</div>
</blockquote>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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