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    <p>I second Saul's request.<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 06/06/2018 08:15, Saul Stein wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
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            have been waiting for Alain to respond, but sadly he hasn’t.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">He
            has written and with a few colleagues, tried to bulldoze
            through a proposal and suggested another, ignoring all
            protests and objections while lambasting all and anyone who
            stood in his way . A policy that over the past number of
            years has cause and fractured this community immeasurably!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">There
            is a clear conflict of interest here. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
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            therefor call for Alain to withdraw both his soft landing
            policy within 24hours. Should that not happen, I call on the
            chairs of this group, to use powers of common sense to
            reject this policy as a conflict of interest.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
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            also call for Alains other proposal to be withdrawn, as it
            is clear that this is designed to obscure conflicts of
            interest.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Mike,
            sadly the motivation here is the issue. In my view there is
            no credibility in anyone that berates and divides an
            organisation for self-interest as we have seen here. The
            proof is the website and LinkedIn, with no denial from Alain
            who if this wasn’t true has now had time to investigate.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                  lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
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                lang="EN-US"> Mike Burns [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:mike@iptrading.com">mailto:mike@iptrading.com</a>] <br>
                <b>Sent:</b> 06 June 2018 02:05 AM<br>
                <b>To:</b> Owen DeLong <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:owen@delong.com"><owen@delong.com></a><br>
                <b>Cc:</b> AfriNIC RPD MList. <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net"><rpd@afrinic.net></a><br>
                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [rpd] Questions for Alain...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Hi
                Owen,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Simply,
                no. His motivation doesn't change the credibility of his
                arguments. They stand on their own.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">There
                is no place and no need for this, especially with the
                subject line, how could it not be ad hominem?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Attacking
                the motivation of a person is almost the definition of
                argumentum ad hominem.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Mike<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                    style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">----
                    On Tue, 05 Jun 2018 19:40:12 -0400 <b>Owen DeLong
                      <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com"
                        moz-do-not-send="true">owen@delong.com</a>></b>
                    wrote ----<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                      style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">While
                      I agree ad hominem has no place in policy debates,
                      I think there is validity in this case to
                      attacking the credibility of his arguments based
                      on what is now a visible previously undisclosed
                      conflict of interest. If he had merely proposed or
                      advocated for the policy, it would be one thing,
                      but his intransigent refusal to withdraw the
                      policy despite repeated rejection by the community
                      establishes a pattern of facts which invites
                      scrutiny of his motivations and the credibility of
                      his arguments in light of recent disclosures.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                      style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Owen<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                              style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">On
                              Jun 5, 2018, at 08:03 , Mike Burns <<a
                                href="mailto:mike@iptrading.com"
                                target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">mike@iptrading.com</a>>
                              wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Hi
                                Andrew,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">While
                                I sympathize with your position on the
                                soft landing proposals, and even
                                accepting all the facts below are true,
                                the fact remains that you were attacking
                                the man (ad hominem) by impugning his
                                motivations, not his arguments.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Mike<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                                        style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Andrew
                                      Alston [<a
                                        href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com"
                                        target="_blank"
                                        moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                          style="color:purple">mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</span></a>] <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                                        style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Sent:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Tuesday,
                                      June 05, 2018 10:37 AM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                                        style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">To:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Mike
                                      Burns <<a
                                        href="mailto:mike@iptrading.com"
                                        target="_blank"
                                        moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                          style="color:purple">mike@iptrading.com</span></a>>;
                                      'Owen DeLong' <<a
                                        href="mailto:owen@delong.com"
                                        target="_blank"
                                        moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                          style="color:purple">owen@delong.com</span></a>>;
                                      'Chevalier du Borg' <<a
                                        href="mailto:virtual.borg@gmail.com"
                                        target="_blank"
                                        moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                          style="color:purple">virtual.borg@gmail.com</span></a>><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                                        style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Cc:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> 'AfriNIC
                                      RPD MList.' <<a
                                        href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net"
                                        target="_blank"
                                        moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                          style="color:purple">rpd@afrinic.net</span></a>><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                                        style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Subject:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> RE:
                                      [rpd] Questions for Alain...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Mike,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Nothing
                                ad-hominem about this – <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Fact
                                – a policy was proposed that the
                                community rejected <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Fact
                                – the community asked for the policy to
                                be withdrawn – multiple times <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Fact
                                – Alain refused to withdraw and then
                                denied that the community had demanded
                                such – despite it being on video<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Fact
                                – The policy was some how shoved through
                                – and appealed <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Fact
                                – the appeal was granted<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Fact
                                – Alain then slammed the integrity of
                                the appeal committee and accused them of
                                malfeasance – again – that’s on video <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">All
                                of this – over a 3 period while railing
                                against people who wanted IP space and
                                doing everything in his power to ensure
                                that people could not GET the space they
                                needed by policy – while also holding a
                                block of space for his employer that
                                remains unannounced other than 25% of it
                                announced by a commercial ASN – while
                                pushing for an audit policy that anyone
                                can clearly see was designed to target
                                specific individuals – and I can name
                                them.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">To
                                then turn around and open a broker –
                                while attempting to use policy to swing
                                things like this with no declaration of
                                interest – might be within the rules –
                                but it is in my opinion – shockingly bad
                                ethics and at the very least – shows a
                                total lack of judgement<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Andrew<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <div style="border:none;border-top:solid
                              #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm">
                              <div>
                                <div>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                                        style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Mike
                                      Burns [<a
                                        href="mailto:mike@iptrading.com"
                                        target="_blank"
                                        moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                          style="color:purple">mailto:mike@iptrading.com</span></a>] <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                </div>
                                <div>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                                        style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Sent:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> 05
                                      June 2018 17:11<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                </div>
                                <div>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                                        style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">To:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> 'Owen
                                      DeLong' <<a
                                        href="mailto:owen@delong.com"
                                        target="_blank"
                                        moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                          style="color:purple">owen@delong.com</span></a>>;
                                      'Chevalier du Borg' <<a
                                        href="mailto:virtual.borg@gmail.com"
                                        target="_blank"
                                        moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                          style="color:purple">virtual.borg@gmail.com</span></a>><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                </div>
                                <div>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                                        style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Cc:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> 'AfriNIC
                                      RPD MList.' <<a
                                        href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net"
                                        target="_blank"
                                        moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                          style="color:purple">rpd@afrinic.net</span></a>><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                </div>
                                <div>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                                        style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Subject:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Re:
                                      [rpd] Questions for Alain...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                </div>
                              </div>
                            </div>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">“There’s
                                nothing wrong with being a broker” –
                                Owen<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Thanks
                                for that, Owen. </span><span
                                class="font"><span
                                  style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Segoe
                                  UI Emoji",sans-serif">😉</span></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">More
                                to the point, there is nothing wrong
                                with a broker authoring policy.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I
                                agree that it’s better to be open about
                                being a broker when authoring policy.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">However
                                this thread began entirely as an ad
                                hominem.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">+1
                                to the previous poster who said it’s
                                past time for Africa to get in sync with
                                the rest of the world regarding the IPv4
                                market.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <div style="border:none;border-top:solid
                              #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm">
                              <div>
                                <div>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                                        style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Owen
                                      DeLong [<a
                                        href="mailto:owen@delong.com"
                                        target="_blank"
                                        moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                          style="color:purple">mailto:owen@delong.com</span></a>] <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                </div>
                                <div>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                                        style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Sent:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Tuesday,
                                      June 05, 2018 9:14 AM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                </div>
                                <div>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                                        style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">To:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Chevalier
                                      du Borg <<a
                                        href="mailto:virtual.borg@gmail.com"
                                        target="_blank"
                                        moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                          style="color:purple">virtual.borg@gmail.com</span></a>><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                </div>
                                <div>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                                        style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Cc:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> AfriNIC
                                      RPD MList. <<a
                                        href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net"
                                        target="_blank"
                                        moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                          style="color:purple">rpd@afrinic.net</span></a>><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                </div>
                                <div>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                                        style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Subject:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Re:
                                      [rpd] Questions for Alain...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                </div>
                              </div>
                            </div>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                  style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">There’s
                                  nothing wrong with being a broker.
                                  However, the SL-BIS proposal is one
                                  which brokers stand to profit from. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                            </div>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                  style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                            </div>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                  style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Your
                                  analogy of the doctor doesn’t apply
                                  because the doctor isn’t profiting
                                  from it when you stop smoking. Indeed,
                                  you’re improved health might actually
                                  cost him money. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                            </div>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                  style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                            </div>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                  style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">This
                                  would be more like having the doctor
                                  encourage your smoking and then
                                  discovering that he also owned a
                                  tobacco company. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                            </div>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                  style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                            </div>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                  style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Not
                                  only is it bad medical advice, but
                                  turns out the doctor stands to profit
                                  from it if the community takes his bad
                                  advice. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                            </div>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                  style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                            </div>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                  style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Owen<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                            </div>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                  style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                            </div>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
                                style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><br>
                                <span class="size">On Jun 5, 2018, at
                                  04:19, Chevalier du Borg <<a
                                    href="mailto:virtual.borg@gmail.com"
                                    target="_blank"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                      style="color:purple">virtual.borg@gmail.com</span></a>>
                                  wrote:</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
                          </div>
                          <blockquote
                            style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                            <div>
                              <div>
                                <div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                        style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                  </div>
                                </div>
                                <div>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                      style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Dear
                                      M. Alson<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                </div>
                                <div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                        style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                  </div>
                                </div>
                                <div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                        style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                  </div>
                                </div>
                                <div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                        style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Is
                                        there a logic arguement in here
                                        somewhere? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                  </div>
                                </div>
                                <div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                        style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Ad-hominem
                                        is not logic<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                  </div>
                                </div>
                                <div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                        style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                  </div>
                                </div>
                                <div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                        style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                  </div>
                                </div>
                                <div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                        style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">After
                                        all, yourself have defended
                                        broker on this list saying there
                                        nothing wrong with it. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                  </div>
                                </div>
                                <div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                        style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                  </div>
                                </div>
                                <div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                        style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                  </div>
                                </div>
                                <div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                        style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The
                                        doctor advise to STOP smoking is
                                        still good advice for you, even
                                        if doctor hisself is a big
                                        smoker.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                  </div>
                                </div>
                                <div>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                    style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
                                      class="size"><span
                                        style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                  <div>
                                    <div>
                                      <div>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                            style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Le mar.
                                            5 juin 2018 à 14:31, Andrew
                                            Alston <<a
                                              href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com"
                                              target="_blank"
                                              moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                                style="color:purple">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</span></a>>
                                            a écrit :<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">You
                                                have actively supported
                                                and fought for the new
                                                soft landing policy – to
                                                artificially restrict
                                                space to entities that
                                                need it.  <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Now,
                                                I’d like to ask – as an
                                                author of the
                                                soft-landing-bis policy
                                                which you have STILL not
                                                withdrawn… aren’t you
                                                just a LITTLE bit
                                                conflicted in trying to
                                                create an artificial
                                                shortage and make it
                                                hard for people to get
                                                space – while starting
                                                and founding an IP
                                                broker in Africa?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Maybe
                                                now we understand the *<b>true</b>*
                                                motivations behind the
                                                soft landing bis
                                                policy….<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><a
href="http://ext-host.trstech.net/ipregistrar/trust_us.html"
                                                  target="_blank"
                                                  moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                                    style="color:purple">http://ext-host.trstech.net/ipregistrar/trust_us.html</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                                style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Andrew<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                                style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                              style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                              style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">RPD
                                              mailing list<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                              style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><a
href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                                  style="color:purple">RPD@afrinic.net</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                              style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><a
href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd" target="_blank"
                                                moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                                  style="color:purple">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                        style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                                        style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">-- <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                            style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Borg
                                            le Chevalier<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                            style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">___________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                            style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">"Common
                                            sense is what tells us the
                                            world is flat" <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                      style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">RPD
                                      mailing list<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                      style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><a
                                        href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net"
                                        target="_blank"
                                        moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                          style="color:purple">RPD@afrinic.net</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                      style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><a
href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd" target="_blank"
                                        moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                          style="color:purple">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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