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<p>Agreed. Apparently - with the existing policy - we have only used
half of the last /8 - which would suggest that the existing policy
is fine.</p>
<p>I'd like to see the current proposal dropped. I don't support it.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 09/05/2018 09:50, aleruchi chuku
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<div>Dear All<br>
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<div>It is quite clear from the mailing list responses
(which by the way is much larger than the meeting in
Dakar) that this proposed policy is Doomed to fail as the
very community that will be required to use it, is not
making any positive progress on the policy.<br>
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<div>Therefore as we discuss it in Dakar, we
should consider discarding this policy and
make progress in areas that will help us to
deplete the remaining IPv4 quickly and bring
in the deployment of IPv6 to the fore.<br>
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<div>It is important that we remove any
personal attachment to the policy and push
for ideas that will benefit the general
community.<br>
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<div>My Opinion is simply that maintaining
the previous soft landing policy is the
best thing to do. <br>
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<div>Aleruchi<br>
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<div> On Sunday, May 6, 2018, 1:07:05 PM GMT+1, Andrew
Alston <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com"><Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com></a> wrote: </div>
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<p class="yiv0353456688MsoNormal"><span style="">Komi,</span></p>
<p class="yiv0353456688MsoNormal"><span style=""> </span></p>
<p class="yiv0353456688MsoNormal"><span style="">So
– in your email below you *<b>acknowledge</b>*
that there are issues that remain unaddressed.</span></p>
<p class="yiv0353456688MsoNormal"><span style=""> </span></p>
<p class="yiv0353456688MsoNormal"><span style="">You
stated that CLEARLY in your email below – that
right there – proves beyond a shadow of a doubt
that consensus is impossible – because the
definition of consensus states that ALL issues
have been addressed – it does not limit that to
those who issues you feel like addressing – nor
does it limit those issues you must address to
the people who like or the people who disagree
with you.</span></p>
<p class="yiv0353456688MsoNormal"><span style=""> </span></p>
<p class="yiv0353456688MsoNormal"><span style="">Thank
you for confirming in a single email that you
acknowledge there is no consensus – much
appreciated</span></p>
<p class="yiv0353456688MsoNormal"><span style=""> </span></p>
<p class="yiv0353456688MsoNormal"><span style="">Andrew</span></p>
<p class="yiv0353456688MsoNormal"><span style=""> </span></p>
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<p class="yiv0353456688MsoNormal"><b><span
lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
lang="EN-US"> Komi Elitcha
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:kmw.elitcha@gmail.com">mailto:kmw.elitcha@gmail.com</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> 06 May 2018 11:45<br clear="none">
<b>To:</b> Owen DeLong <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:owen@delong.com"><owen@delong.com></a><br
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<b>Cc:</b> AfriNIC RPD MList.
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net"><rpd@afrinic.net></a><br clear="none">
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [rpd] IPv4 Soft Landing
BIS</span></p>
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<p class="yiv0353456688MsoNormal"><span
style="">Good day Owen,</span></p>
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<p class="yiv0353456688MsoNormal"><span
style="">Please see few comments below.</span></p>
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<p class="yiv0353456688MsoNormal">2018-05-01
23:31 GMT+00:00 Owen DeLong <<a
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On Apr 28, 2018, at 14:27, Daniel
Yakmut <<a rel="nofollow"
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<span class="yiv0353456688gmail-">> </span><br
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The argument and discussion on this
policy will continue to go back and
forth, as i see a dangerous trend of
members standing at very sharp and
deep divides. The proponents and those
opposed to the policy are not ready to
shift grounds, in this regard can we
answer the following:</span><br
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<span class="yiv0353456688gmail-">> </span><br
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<span class="yiv0353456688gmail-">>
1. Is there in any form, an agreement
that the community needs a policy of
this nature?</span><br clear="none">
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The policy currently on the books is
less objectionable than the current
proposal. While many of us who oppose
this proposal would like to see it
repealed, I believe most of us can live
with the status quo.
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<p class="yiv0353456688MsoNormal"><span
style=""></span><span style="">It
is obvious that if you opposed the
current policy on the books, you
will oppose SL-bis.</span></p>
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<p class="yiv0353456688MsoNormal"><span
style="">SL policy was adoption was
tedious as the revision history can
tell. But it was a time where peoole
understood the concept and were able
to work out a concensual policy from
a proposal.</span></p>
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<p class="yiv0353456688MsoNormal"><span
style="">Proponents of SL-BIS also
will live with the status quo as
not too different from the original
SL-BIS proposa, but not with the
the competing proposal you tend to
favour.</span></p>
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I personally do not believe such a
policy serves the community at this
time, so making it even worse is
counter-productive.
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<p class="yiv0353456688MsoNormal"><span
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have agreed to disagree on this.</span><span
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2. If we agree that the policy is
required, then what are the issues?</span><br
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I think we don’t agree such a policy is
required. <br clear="none">
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3. If the policy is not required, then
it should just be buried and we make
progress on more productive issues.</span><br
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I do not think we have consensus on this
matter. Many of us believe this policy
is unnecessary and even harmful. Others
believe this policy is needed.
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<p class="yiv0353456688MsoNormal"><span
style=""></span><span style="">This
was expected and lot of discussions
have happened to merge and accomodate
various views. Only those personal
oppositions from competing proposals
and denial of acceptance of the
history behind the last /8 we got
from the global soft landing policy
and which is subject of the Soft
landing policy being updated have
not been addressed.</span></p>
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However if we answer is Yes to No. 1.
Then i will suggest that we do a
clause by clause discussion and come
to some consensus, any clause agreed
upon will form part of the policy.
Though tedious but that way, we can
identify the "offensive" clause(s) and
agree or discard it.</span><br
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The answer to 1 and 3 (really the same
question in reverse) varies depending on
who you ask. There is the rub.
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<p class="yiv0353456688MsoNormal"><span
style=""></span><span style="">The
tedious method was proposed by
cochairs and followed by those who
accepted it.</span></p>
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But if we think the policy is not
required, just bury it and move on.</span><br
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While I’d like to see us do so, unlike
my opponents, I do recognize that they
are entitled to sustain their support
just as much as our sustained objections
remain valid.
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<p class="yiv0353456688MsoNormal"><span
style=""></span><span style="">The
cochairs report on the proposal is
avalaible. The Appeal Committee has
failed to point out these objections
not addressed which you are referring
to. We have not made any progress
since.</span></p>
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<span class="yiv0353456688gmail-">>
It is important we quickly turn our
attention to policies that will fast
track the deployment of IPV6, as we
are overstretching the discussion on
IPV4.</span><br clear="none">
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The good news is that v4 freepool
policies probably won’t matter much
after Dakar or possibly one more meeting
after that. There’s a reason the
proponents are in a rush and the
opponents are willing to run out the
clock.
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<p class="yiv0353456688MsoNormal"><span
style=""></span><span style="">Anyone
on rush here? This proposal has been
following the normal track . Is this
just another example of your biased
judgments of things? </span></p>
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Fortunately for the community, absent
actual rough consensus, the process
favors the status quo over ill-advised
changes to policy over the objections of
even a minority of the community.
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<p class="yiv0353456688MsoNormal"><span
style=""></span><span style="">I am
curious about your definition of
minority of the community and wonder
if we are still talking about
substantial objections and rough
consensus </span></p>
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