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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=ES link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I’ve also the same opinion, in general NIRs are not needed, but I have the feeling that this may be beyond the scope of AfriNIC.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>What happen if a country law mandate it? Then AfriNIC members of that country will be mandated by law to go via the NIR.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Of course, you can “strongly discourage” it by means of pieces:<o:p></o:p></span></p><ol style='margin-top:0cm' start=1 type=1><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>AfriNIC bylaws disallowing NIRs.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>There is no mention of NIR in the policy manual, I just looked at it, so if you can reinforce that with a policy proposal that specifically modify the existing definition of LIR.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Actual text:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>2.3 Local Internet Registry (LIR)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>A Local Internet Registry (LIR) is an IR that receives allocations from an RIR and primarily assigns address space to 'end-users'. LIRs are generally ISPs. Their customers are other ISPs and possibly end-users. LIRs must be members of AFRINIC.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Proposed text:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>2.3 Local Internet Registry (LIR)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>A Local Internet Registry (LIR) is an IR that receives allocations from an RIR and primarily assigns address space to 'end-users'. LIRs are generally ISPs. Their customers are other ISPs and possibly end-users. LIRs must be members of AFRINIC<b> and are the only way to allocate resources within the AfriNIC service region</b>.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'><br>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Jordi<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>De: </span></b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Mark Elkins <mje@posix.co.za><br><b>Organización: </b>Posix Systems<br><b>Responder a: </b><mje@posix.co.za><br><b>Fecha: </b>martes, 8 de mayo de 2018, 12:16<br><b>Para: </b>AfriNIC Resource Policy <rpd@afrinic.net>, <community-discuss@afrinic.net><br><b>Asunto: </b>Re: [rpd] proposition de politique<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'><a name="_MailOriginalBody">Totally agree with you. I believe that NIRs would potentially break (harm) the whole bottom-up approach. They could also have different policies and it also potentially breaks ISP's that have cross-border activities. I like it that AfriNIC currently has no NIRs.<o:p></o:p></a></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>On 08/05/2018 13:23, Kossi Amessinou wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>Bonsoir à tous, <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>Il apparaît urgent pour notre communauté de veiller à ce que le principe de la mise en place des NIR par pays soit supprimé. Il faut retenir comme principe le modèle LIR et End User pour notre région (RIR). Il faut empêcher les gouvernements et les régulateurs d'avoir une action prépondérante sur internet en les décourageant de mettre en place des NIR. Même si des lois sont pris dans des pays, la communauté doit rester plus forte pour que internet reste un bien public international inaliénable. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>En conclusion, dans notre région, je recommande que nous ayons un RIR avec des LIR et des End User. Il faut supprimer les NIR. Merci.<br clear=all><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>-- <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>AMESSINOU Kossi<br>Ingénieur TIC | ICT Engineer<br>Contact personnel: 00229 95 19 67 02<br>Boîte Postale: 01BP7304 Cotonou - Bénin<br>Emails: </span><a href="mailto:kossi.amessinou@fgi.bj" target="_blank"><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>kossi.amessinou@fgi.bj</span><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'></span></a><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'><br></span><a href="mailto:kamessinou@developpement.gouv.bj" target="_blank"><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>kamessinou@developpement.gouv.bj</span><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'></span></a><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'><br></span><a href="mailto:amessinoukossi@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>amessinoukossi@gmail.com</span><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'></span></a><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'><br>skype: amessinou | @amessinou | @bigf<br></span><a href="http://www.facebook.com/amessinoukossi" target="_blank"><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>http://www.facebook.com/amessinoukossi</span><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'></span></a><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'> | <br></span><a href="http://www.linkedin.com/pub/kossi-amessinou" target="_blank"><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>www.linkedin.com/pub/kossi-amessinou</span><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'></span></a><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'><br>Que Dieu vous bénisse | Dans le silence, Dieu nous parle! 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