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<p>Maybe the co-chairs could use the discussion at the meeting to
list the issues that need to be addressed. Then each of those
issues could be addressed independently, either on the list or
with changes to the proposed policy. After all of them have been
addressed, there can be another call for consensus. I don't know
whether that call would require another meeting, or be another
Last Call.</p>
<p>Lee<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 04/29/2018 06:37 AM, Komi Elitcha
wrote:<br>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Daniel,</div>
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style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Please, find few
comments below.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2018-04-28 21:27 GMT+00:00 Daniel
Yakmut <span dir="ltr"><<a
href="mailto:yakmutd@googlemail.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">yakmutd@googlemail.com</a>></span>:<br>
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The argument and discussion on this policy will continue
to go back and forth,</blockquote>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Intentionally? The
question is worth asking?</div>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> as i see a dangerous
trend of members standing at very sharp and deep divides.
The proponents and those opposed to the policy are not
ready to shift grounds,</blockquote>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">We've gone a long
way through this policy[1]. </div>
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style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"></div>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> in this regard can we
answer the following:<br>
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1. Is there in any form, an agreement that the community
needs a policy of this nature?<br>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Considering that
the said policy has reached "Last call". I'd answer yes.</div>
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2. If we agree that the policy is required, then what are
the issues?<br>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I find a clue for
this here[2]</div>
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3. If the policy is not required, then it should just be
buried and we make progress on more productive issues.<br>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Archives should
tell about the interest or lack of interest the community
on the SL-BIS</div>
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However if we answer is Yes to No. 1. Then i will suggest
that we do a clause by clause discussion and come to some
consensus,</blockquote>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Co-chairs have
already declared "consensus". Does it make your suggestion
obsolete?</div>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> any clause agreed upon
will form part of the policy. Though tedious but that way,
we can identify the "offensive" clause(s) and agree or
discard it.<br>
<br>
But if we think the policy is not required, just bury it
and move on.<br>
<br>
It is important we quickly turn our attention to policies
that will fast track the deployment of IPV6, as we are
overstretching the discussion on IPV4.<br>
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<div class="gmail_default"><span
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"></span><font
face="verdana, sans-serif">Assuming the problem
statement, here is what 2.0 says.</font></div>
<div class="gmail_default"><font face="verdana, sans-serif">{</font></div>
<div class="gmail_default"><font face="verdana, sans-serif">This
policy proposal solves the problem described above by:</font></div>
<div class="gmail_default"><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><br>
</font></div>
<div class="gmail_default"><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><span style="white-space:pre"> </span>Changing
the value of the maximum allocations/assignment sizes
during exhaustion phases 1 and 2.</font></div>
<div class="gmail_default"><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><span style="white-space:pre"> </span>Reserving
a dedicated block to facilitate IPv6 deployment. </font></div>
<div class="gmail_default"><font face="verdana, sans-serif">}</font></div>
<div class="gmail_default"><font face="verdana, sans-serif">So
IPv6 deployment is covered.</font></div>
<div class="gmail_default"><font face="verdana, sans-serif">Hoping
this helps.</font></div>
<div class="gmail_default"><font face="verdana, sans-serif">Thanks.</font></div>
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<div class="gmail_default"><font face="verdana,
sans-serif">[1] <a
href="https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2017/007909.html"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2017/007909.html</a></font></div>
<div class="gmail_default"><font face="verdana,
sans-serif">[2] <a
href="https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2018/008217.html"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2018/008217.html</a></font></div>
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Regards,<br>
Daniel <br>
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Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 12:55:36 PM<br>
Subject: Re: [rpd] IPv4 Soft Landing BIS<br>
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hello,<br>
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> On 28 Apr 2018, at 01:48, Owen DeLong <<a
href="mailto:owen@delong.com" moz-do-not-send="true">owen@delong.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
> <br>
> There are a number of problems with this:<br>
> <br>
> 1. History shows that forcing people to accept
IPv6 addresses in order to obtain<br>
> more IPv4 addresses doesn’t actually help
deploy IPv6, it just makes a mess of<br>
> the registry and registry related
statistics.<br>
> <br>
<br>
> 2. Please explain how one goes about
determining equivalence between an IPv4
allocation/assignment<br>
> and an IPv6 allocation or assignment. Is a
v6 /64 more like a v4 /32 or a v4 /24? Answer: it
depends.<br>
> Is a /48 more like a /24 or something
larger? Answer: it depends.<br>
> <br>
> IPv4 and IPv6 are so very different in
terms of address size and allocation boundaries that
there<br>
> simply isn’t a good way to define
equivalence. That’s a good thing, but it means that
what you are<br>
> proposing simply doesn’t work very well (if
at all).<br>
> <br>
> Besides, can’t we just kill this proposal? How
many times does the community need to reject it before
the authors will recognize that it is not wanted?<br>
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Oy yes “community”<br>
<br>
The proposal got consensus and was recommended for
ratification by BoD. There has been an appeal against
co-chair decision. The Appeal committee decision to
nullify the cochairs decision was baseless and has
been challenged.<br>
<br>
lets discuss this in Dakar.<br>
<br>
—Alain<br>
> <br>
> Owen<br>
> <br>
> <br>
>> On Apr 27, 2018, at 16:10 , Paschal Ochang
<<a href="mailto:pascosoft@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">pascosoft@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
>> <br>
>> Is it possible to add a clause under 5.4.5
allocation criteria whereby any member requesting for
ipv4 addresses must also request for a quota of ipv6
as well. Therefore ipv4 addresses cannot be requested
without requesting for an equivalent quota of ipv6 and
further request can be made when deployment of the
allocated ipv6 block has been ascertained.
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