<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Good day,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Please see some comments below.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2018-03-14 20:28 GMT+00:00 Lee Howard <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:lee.howard@retevia.net" target="_blank">lee.howard@retevia.net</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Thank you for bringing this to the list. I am new to this
conversation, but I did read the proposed policy and the meeting
notes you included below.</p></div></blockquote><div><span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Thanks for joining the discussion to build a strong PDP for AFRINIC and also for your inputs. See below</span><span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"></span><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
<p>I am confused about section 3.4 Consensus.</p>
<p>The proposed text says, "<span style="color:rgb(255,102,0);font-family:Helvetica,Arial,FreeSans,sans-serif;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(238,238,238);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">Most of the decisions in the working
group operations and discussions on policy proposals are made
through rough consensus, unless specified otherwise.<span> "</span></span></p>
I could not find a case that was specifie otherwise. Would there
ever be a case?<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">-Appeal committee decision making</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">-cochairs elections (Working group operations guidelines document )</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
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I think from 3.4.1 Minor Objections that those are objections where
the person objecting agrees that the advantages of the proposal
outweigh their objections.<br>
I think from 3.4.2 Major objections that they are defined as those
where the person objecting cannot accept the proposal. <br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Objection description shall help categorize the objection (major or minor).The working group's decision on an objection, may not be the same as what objector think.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Minor and major objections are dealt with as specified by the proposal.</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
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But then I'm confused because it said, "Consensus is reached on a
proposal if the PDWG is able to successfully work through all
objections in this way. It is not necessary for everyone to agree
with the proposal."<br>
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If I were PDWG chair, in order to understand consensus, I would have
to ask each person who spoke at the microphone at a meeting, or on
the mailing list, whether they support the proposal, have a minor
objection, or a major objection. If they described it as a major
objection, it would have to be listed as such somewhere (an issues
list in Git?), and the PDWG or authors would have to explicitly
address that point and come to consensus on whether it could be
accommodated or not, and then the PDWG would have to reach consensus
on whether the accommodation was acceptable. <br>
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But at the end of 3.4.3 Reaching consensus, it says "Consensus is
achieved when everyone consents to the decision of the group." That
still sounds like one person objecting can block a proposal, which
is the opposite of "It is not necessary for everyone to agree."<br>
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Can someone explain this to me a little more?<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div class="gmail_default"><span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"></span><font face="verdana, sans-serif">Your description of the process if quite correct and you could probably make a good co-chair :)</font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="verdana, sans-serif"> "Consensus is achieved when everyone consents to the decision of the group." </font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="verdana, sans-serif">After the whole working group including objectors have done their best to accomodate the objections, weigh the pros vs cons, etc... what the working group should expect are statement of style of:</font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="verdana, sans-serif">- "In the general interest, and based on the work done and the discussions, I accept that the working group moves on with the prooosal"</font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="verdana, sans-serif">"Still not very happy, but I can live with that"</font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="verdana, sans-serif">But nor the co-chairs, nor the working group can't prevent someone for holding his position. This where is the "It is not necessary for everyone to agree." comes in and the cochairs shall make their decision. The objector can exercise his rights to appeal.</font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="verdana, sans-serif">Are these explanations satisfactory? Can you live with text as it is ? Any proposed text to make it more obvious?</font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
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Thank you,<br>
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<div><font face="verdana, sans-serif">Dear
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<div><font face="verdana, sans-serif">Following
Afrinic-27 in Lagos and the policy discussions[1], the
authors of the policy proposal
AFPUB-2017-GEN-002-DRAFT-02[2] would like to encourage
community to submit further comments or suggestions they
may have, while awaiting the next version of the policy
proposal.</font></div>
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<div><font face="verdana, sans-serif">[1]
<a href="https://afrinic.net/en/component/content/article/198-archive-ppm-minutes/2261-afrinic-27-pdwg-meeting-minutes" target="_blank">https://afrinic.net/en/<wbr>component/content/article/198-<wbr>archive-ppm-minutes/2261-<wbr>afrinic-27-pdwg-meeting-<wbr>minutes</a> </font></div>
<div><font face="verdana, sans-serif">[2]
<a href="https://afrinic.net/fr/community/policy-development/policy-proposals/2233-afrinic-policy-development-process-bis" target="_blank">https://afrinic.net/fr/<wbr>community/policy-development/<wbr>policy-proposals/2233-afrinic-<wbr>policy-development-process-bis</a><wbr> </font></div>
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