<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Mar 16, 2018, at 05:55 , JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <<a href="mailto:jordi.palet@consulintel.es" class="">jordi.palet@consulintel.es</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; font-family: Monaco; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">Hi Fabian,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">Thanks for your input.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">I’m trying to understand what you mean and if it is different than what I’m proposing.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">My proposed text is:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">“In IPv6,"utilisation" is only measured in terms of the number of prefixes assigned to End Sites, not their size or the number of addresses actually used in those prefixes”<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10.5pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10.5pt;" class="">In IPv6 and end-site can have a /48 and only use at the moment, let’s say, for example, half of it (in terms of number of /64).</span></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>???</div><div><br class=""></div><div>It’s going to be a pretty big end site to use 32768 /64s. Most end sites will only use a tiny fraction of a /48 and that’s OK.</div><div>That’s intended. Even if you only use a couple of /64s, it’s OK for you to have a /48.</div><div><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; font-family: Monaco; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10.5pt;" class="">Utilization (from my understanding and also what is in the other RIR policies), is the full /48, because from the ISP perspective, this is already “on the hands” of a customer, and the ISP can’t take advantage of it anymore (unless the customer goes to another ISP).</span></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>This is correct. For IPv6 to work as intended, the policy must consider things this way. To the best of my knowledge, that is already the case in all 5 RIRs.</div><div><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; font-family: Monaco; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10.5pt;" class="">In fact, my text is the same as the actual policy text in the meaning. Just simplified “how” to say it.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10.5pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10.5pt;" class="">May be you can tell an example of what you mean?</span></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>I think you and Fabian are expressing the same intent. Fabian is noting that historically, in IPv4, we have measured</div><div>addresses in actual use and deployed on devices rather than addresses assigned to customers.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>When scarcity is an issue, this is necessary to prevent, for example, an LIR irresponsibly assigning a /20 to a site</div><div>that really only needs a /29. In IPv6, where scarcity is not an issue and there is no benefit to be found in hoarding</div><div>excess addresses, this makes far less sense.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Owen</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; font-family: Monaco; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10.5pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10.5pt;" class=""><br class="">Regards,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10.5pt;" class="">Jordi<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">De:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">Fabian Jr <<a href="mailto:afabbie@hotmail.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">afabbie@hotmail.com</a>><br class=""><b class="">Fecha:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>viernes, 16 de marzo de 2018, 13:49<br class=""><b class="">Para:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Dewole Ajao <<a href="mailto:dewole@forum.org.ng" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">dewole@forum.org.ng</a>>, rpd <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br class=""><b class="">Asunto:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re: [rpd] New Policy Proposal Received - “IPv6 Policy and References Update (AFPUB-2018-V6-001-DRAFT01)"<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div id="divtagdefaultwrapper" class=""><p style="margin-left: 35.4pt;" class=""><a name="_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">i have read the document ...it looks ok...<o:p class=""></o:p></span></a></p><p style="margin-left: 35.4pt;" class=""><span class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></span></p><p style="margin-left: 35.4pt;" class=""><span class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">i have one comment on section 6.1<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></span></p><p style="margin-left: 35.4pt;" class=""><span class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></span></p><p style="margin-left: 35.4pt;" class=""><span class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">i would recommend Utilization to be measured by number of prefixes assigned to End Sites which already have any Whole Prefix or Partial Prefix(es) in actual use. This is because from a general understanding and practice on IP/IPs Utilization ...has been counted on the actual IP assigned to devices and online/in use.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></span></p><p style="margin-left: 35.4pt;" class=""><span class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></span></p><p style="margin-left: 35.4pt;" class=""><span class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">regards,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></span></p><p style="margin-left: 35.4pt;" class=""><span class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></span></p><p style="margin-left: 35.4pt;" class=""><span class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></span></p><div id="Signature" class=""><div id="divtagdefaultwrapper" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><br class=""></span></span><span class=""><em class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; 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font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><b class=""><span style="" class="">From:</span></b></span><span class=""><span style="" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Dewole Ajao <<a href="mailto:dewole@forum.org.ng" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">dewole@forum.org.ng</a>><br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Friday, March 16, 2018 12:51 AM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>rpd<br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[rpd] New Policy Proposal Received - “IPv6 Policy and References Update (AFPUB-2018-V6-001-DRAFT01)"</span></span><span class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></span></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></span></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; 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