<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div></div><div>The point is nobody was attacking the committee. We were raising an objection to something we perceived as an improper procedural intent expressed by said committee and requesting that intent be rectified. </div><div><br></div><div>No malice, no ad hominem, no attack, no lack of faith, just a simple attempt to correct what we perceived as an error. </div><div><br></div><div>Owen</div><div><br></div><div><br>On Jan 25, 2018, at 06:17, Badru Ntege <<a href="mailto:badru.ntege@nftconsult.com">badru.ntege@nftconsult.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><meta name="Title" content=""><meta name="Keywords" content=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)"><style><!--
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--></style><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal">Saul <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal">You see we are now all speculating on a potential outcome of the work and then even anticipating consequences of a decision that might not be expected by parties by the “can of worms” statement. <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal">I think right now all that is not at all necessary.<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Saul Stein <<a href="mailto:saul@enetworks.co.za">saul@enetworks.co.za</a>><br><b>Date: </b>Thursday, January 25, 2018 at 3:26 PM<br><b>To: </b>Badru Ntege <<a href="mailto:badru.ntege@nftconsult.com">badru.ntege@nftconsult.com</a>>, Noah <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz">noah@neo.co.tz</a>>, Kris Seeburn <<a href="mailto:seeburn.k@gmail.com">seeburn.k@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Cc: </b>rpd List <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br><b>Subject: </b>RE: [rpd] Timeline for handling AFPUB-2016-V4-001-DRAFT07 policy appeal<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="color:#1F497D">Hi </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="color:#1F497D">No-one is saying that the committee mustn’t get on with their work, the comments are based on the reference:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="color:#1F497D">><a href="https://www.afrinic.net/images/timeline-2018-01-pdwg-appeal-committee.pdf">https://www.afrinic.net/images/timeline-2018-01-pdwg-appeal-committee.pdf</a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">>1. Appeal Committee 1st Meeting – 19/01/2018 – week 1<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">>c. List and request documents from AFRINIC that the Committee deems needed for the Appeal including i. RPD discussion summary on the policy<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="color:#1F497D">The points that have been made are that since this is an appeal, the appeal committee should be drawing their own conclusions from the source documents, not other subjective reports and summaries.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="color:#1F497D">We’d hate for the appeal committee to base their responses on summaries as that could lead to a rejection as vital pertinent information might be omitted in the summary. That would open a serious can of worms!</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="color:#1F497D">That is the way I see this, if I am incorrect, please correct me (and please, only corrections from the appeal committee members, otherwise its hearsay and not fact.) </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="color:#1F497D">My 2c</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="color:#1F497D">Saul</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><b>From:</b> Badru Ntege [<a href="mailto:badru.ntege@nftconsult.com">mailto:badru.ntege@nftconsult.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> 25 January 2018 01:40 PM<br><b>To:</b> Noah <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz">noah@neo.co.tz</a>>; Kris Seeburn <<a href="mailto:seeburn.k@gmail.com">seeburn.k@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> rpd List <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [rpd] Timeline for handling AFPUB-2016-V4-001-DRAFT07 policy appeal<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"> <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Members Members<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"> <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">We are all acting like the end of the world is nigh !!!<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"> <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">We have a committee that we have entrusted as the final Arbitrator. <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"> <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Lets await the outcome and also be ready to accept the outcome and move on with AfriNIC work. <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"> <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Regards<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"> <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"> <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"> <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"> <o:p></o:p></p><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Noah <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz">noah@neo.co.tz</a>><br><b>Date: </b>Thursday, January 25, 2018 at 11:58 AM<br><b>To: </b>Kris Seeburn <<a href="mailto:seeburn.k@gmail.com">seeburn.k@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Cc: </b>rpd List <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [rpd] Timeline for handling AFPUB-2016-V4-001-DRAFT07 policy appeal</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in"> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:1.0in"> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in"> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in"> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in">On 25 Jan 2018 11:49 a.m., "Kris Seeburn" <<a href="mailto:seeburn.k@gmail.com">seeburn.k@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in">I am not going going in circles i have faith that the independent appeals committee is gona do the job. But i’d prefer they do in in their own mind not to involve others such as staff to come to conclusion. But i’m saying i support them without them being influenced that’s my only issue. The people in the committee are laudable and respected by the community. I dont doubt that at all. But not to be influenced by emails, staff, or board. Thats what everyone wants. <o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in"> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in">OK<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in"> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in">And am waiting to see something right. <o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in"> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in">You are doubting still. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in"> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in">Anyways, what is that something right?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in"> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in"> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in">Which would raise afrinic’s place in the RIR space.<o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in"> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in">Was AFRINIC place is the RIR space low which needs raising? [1]<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in"> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in"> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in"> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in">Noah<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in"> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in">[1]<span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">IMHO, AFRINIC has done a great job since its inception unless if you think otherwise. We should all be proud.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in"> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in">_______________________________________________ RPD mailing list <a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net">RPD@afrinic.net</a> <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a> <o:p></o:p></p></div>
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