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--></style></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>Saul <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>You see we are now all speculating on a potential outcome of the work and then even anticipating consequences of a decision that might not be expected by parties by the “can of worms” statement. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I think right now all that is not at all necessary.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>From: </span></b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Saul Stein <saul@enetworks.co.za><br><b>Date: </b>Thursday, January 25, 2018 at 3:26 PM<br><b>To: </b>Badru Ntege <badru.ntege@nftconsult.com>, Noah <noah@neo.co.tz>, Kris Seeburn <seeburn.k@gmail.com><br><b>Cc: </b>rpd List <rpd@afrinic.net><br><b>Subject: </b>RE: [rpd] Timeline for handling AFPUB-2016-V4-001-DRAFT07 policy appeal<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'>Hi </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'>No-one is saying that the committee mustn’t get on with their work, the comments are based on the reference:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'>><a href="https://www.afrinic.net/images/timeline-2018-01-pdwg-appeal-committee.pdf">https://www.afrinic.net/images/timeline-2018-01-pdwg-appeal-committee.pdf</a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>>1. Appeal Committee 1st Meeting – 19/01/2018 – week 1<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>>c. List and request documents from AFRINIC that the Committee deems needed for the Appeal including i. RPD discussion summary on the policy<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'>The points that have been made are that since this is an appeal, the appeal committee should be drawing their own conclusions from the source documents, not other subjective reports and summaries.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'>We’d hate for the appeal committee to base their responses on summaries as that could lead to a rejection as vital pertinent information might be omitted in the summary. That would open a serious can of worms!</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'>That is the way I see this, if I am incorrect, please correct me (and please, only corrections from the appeal committee members, otherwise its hearsay and not fact.) </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'>My 2c</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'>Saul</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b>From:</b> Badru Ntege [mailto:badru.ntege@nftconsult.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> 25 January 2018 01:40 PM<br><b>To:</b> Noah <noah@neo.co.tz>; Kris Seeburn <seeburn.k@gmail.com><br><b>Cc:</b> rpd List <rpd@afrinic.net><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [rpd] Timeline for handling AFPUB-2016-V4-001-DRAFT07 policy appeal<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>Members Members<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>We are all acting like the end of the world is nigh !!!<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>We have a committee that we have entrusted as the final Arbitrator. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>Lets await the outcome and also be ready to accept the outcome and move on with AfriNIC work. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>Regards<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>From: </span></b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Noah <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz">noah@neo.co.tz</a>><br><b>Date: </b>Thursday, January 25, 2018 at 11:58 AM<br><b>To: </b>Kris Seeburn <<a href="mailto:seeburn.k@gmail.com">seeburn.k@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Cc: </b>rpd List <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [rpd] Timeline for handling AFPUB-2016-V4-001-DRAFT07 policy appeal</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:1.0in'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'>On 25 Jan 2018 11:49 a.m., "Kris Seeburn" <<a href="mailto:seeburn.k@gmail.com">seeburn.k@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'>I am not going going in circles i have faith that the independent appeals committee is gona do the job. But i’d prefer they do in in their own mind not to involve others such as staff to come to conclusion. But i’m saying i support them without them being influenced that’s my only issue. The people in the committee are laudable and respected by the community. I dont doubt that at all. But not to be influenced by emails, staff, or board. Thats what everyone wants. <o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'>OK<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'>And am waiting to see something right. <o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'>You are doubting still. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'>Anyways, what is that something right?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'>Which would raise afrinic’s place in the RIR space.<o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'>Was AFRINIC place is the RIR space low which needs raising? [1]<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'>Noah<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'>[1]<span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>IMHO, AFRINIC has done a great job since its inception unless if you think otherwise. We should all be proud.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'>_______________________________________________ RPD mailing list <a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net">RPD@afrinic.net</a> <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a> <o:p></o:p></p></div></body></html>