<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">I will say this…<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Any ratification of this policy prior to a favorable ruling from the appeal committee would carry serious risk in terms of the perceived integrity or trust in the AfriNIC RPD, the AfriNIC PDP, and the ability of AfriNIC to develop consensus based policies for governance of resource distribution within the region.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Never before in any region have I seen a declaration of consensus against such strong and sustained opposition. In the first instance, I thought it was perhaps ignorance on the part of the co-chairs. The finding at the end of last call made it clear that the co-chairs have lost all perspective and are maliciously intent on acting in a manner inconsistent with the rules of consensus in the PDP and in taking actions supported by one segment of the community despite substantial sustained clear opposition on multiple grounds from multiple groups within the community.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">While I recognize and fully understand the desire to act against Andrew’s rhetoric and do not condone his behavior in any way, we must not lose sight of the fact that there are others also in opposition to the policy on a variety of grounds. The vast majority of those objections were never actually addressed during the PDP other than to either falsely claim they were inaccurate or inapplicable, or, to simply dismiss them as “not substantial”.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I realize my opinion here is controversial and that there is no more consensus behind it than there is consensus behind this proposal, but that’s kind of the point, isn’t it.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Owen</div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jan 19, 2018, at 9:21 AM, Timothy Ola Akinfenwa <<a href="mailto:akin.akinfenwa@uniosun.edu.ng" class="">akin.akinfenwa@uniosun.edu.ng</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="auto" style="font-family: Monaco; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><div class=""><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto">Comments inline pls.</div><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_quote">On Jan 19, 2018 5:26 PM, "Andrew Alston" <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com" class="">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution" class=""><blockquote class="quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex;"><div lang="EN-GB" link="blue" vlink="purple" class=""><div class="m_534103951006766283WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="">You are correct that the appeal process does not by the letter of the law suspend ratification – however – lets use some common sense here – ratify the policy while the appeal is running – someone gets denied space – the appeal succeeds – you’ve just opened yourself up to one giant lawsuit</span></p></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div><div dir="auto" class=""><font color="#4caf50" class="">In law, common sense does not always count.</font> </div><div dir="auto" class=""><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex;"><div lang="EN-GB" link="blue" vlink="purple" class=""><div class="m_534103951006766283WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal">Let the appeal committee do their work – and then move to the next step – that is only logic</p></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div><div dir="auto" class=""><font color="#4caf50" class="">The Board Chairman was clear when he said:</font></div><div dir="auto" class=""><i class=""><font color="#4caf50" class="">"<span style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 12.8px;" class="">The Board hopes that the work of the appeal committee would have reached a significant stage to serve as input for the consideration of the Board." </span></font></i></div><div dir="auto" class=""><font color="#4caf50" class="">One thing is clear though, the community is not ready to wait till eternity for the outcome of either processes.</font></div><div dir="auto" class=""><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex;"><div lang="EN-GB" link="blue" vlink="purple" class=""><div class="m_534103951006766283WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="">Andrew<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Komi Elitcha [mailto:<a href="mailto:kmw.elitcha@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">kmw.elitcha@gmail.com</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>19 January 2018 18:45<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Saul Stein <<a href="mailto:saul@enetworks.co.za" target="_blank" class="">saul@enetworks.co.za</a>><br class=""><b class="">Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>rpd <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank" class="">rpd@afrinic.net</a>></span></p><div class="quoted-text"><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [rpd] [pdwg-appeal] SoftLanding BIS notice of intent to appeal<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></div><div class=""><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><div class=""><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">Hello<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p></div><div class="elided-text"><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">2018-01-17 13:35 GMT+00:00 Saul Stein <<a href="mailto:saul@enetworks.co.za" target="_blank" class="">saul@enetworks.co.za</a>>:<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1pt; padding: 0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0cm;" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-ZA" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-ZA" style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Board, please can you confirm that you will not be making any decisions on this policy until the appeal has been completed.</span><span lang="EN-ZA" class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-ZA" style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span><span lang="EN-ZA" class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-ZA" style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Thanks</span><span lang="EN-ZA" class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-ZA" style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Saul</span><span lang="EN-ZA" class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-ZA" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"> <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p></div><div class=""><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""></span><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">Nothing in the PDP says appeal and especially appeal against " last call consensus " is suspensive of the process.</span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 9.5pt;" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">In all cases, this is another improvement area of the PDP which PDP-BIS shall address.</span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal">--<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; 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