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--></style></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>+++1<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>On 1/4/18, 12:48 PM, "Eucharia Chimbuzor Nwachukwu" <<a href="mailto:eucharia.nwachukwu@uniport.edu.ng">eucharia.nwachukwu@uniport.edu.ng</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Dear colleagues,</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>I see from Omo response and corresponding response from Andrew that there's more to what we are discussing on this matter. From my personal observation, I deduce the following:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>1. Omo and co submitted proposal.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>2. Andrew and co sort for comprise on the proposal.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>3. Omo and co refused to negotiate.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>4. Andrew and co submitted a counter proposal with the aim of ensuring that the first proposal doesn't get a concensus.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>5. Andrew was happy to withdraw his proposal when both were advised to do so because it was a dream come true. Omo and co wasn't happy with the advice to withdraw because it seemed like Andrew has pushed his threat successfully.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>6. Omo and co amended the proposal and resubmitted and it was never turned down by congregation rather the same group who stood against the proposal kept objecting. The said proposal seems to satisfy the expectations of the larger community including some of the appellants who have no issues with the proposal but the process of passing it. Yet, a concensus can't be achieved.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>My submission: I want to ask, as a community, do we need to be strangulated in this way? Should it be a norm that when your negotiation fails, the community stands still? I see nothing bad in that proposal and it has to pass in some way. Let us move forward, please!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Wishing all of us a prosperous and focused new year.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Eucharia Nwachukwu<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>On Jan 4, 2018 9:29 AM, "Eucharia Chimbuzor Nwachukwu" <<a href="mailto:eucharia.nwachukwu@uniport.edu.ng">eucharia.nwachukwu@uniport.edu.ng</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>Dear colleagues,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>I see from Omo response and corresponding response from Andrew that there's more to what we are discussing on this matter. From my personal observation, I deduce the following:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>1. Omo and co submitted proposal.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>2. Andrew and co sort for comprise on the proposal.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>3. Omo and co refused to negotiate.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>4. Andrew and co submitted a counter proposal with the aim of ensuring that the first proposal doesn't get a concensus.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>5. Andrew was happy to withdraw his proposal when both were advised to do so because it was a dream come true. Omo and co wasn't happy with the advice to withdraw because it seemed like Andrew has pushed his threat successfully.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>6. Omo and co amended the proposal and resubmitted and it was never turned down by congregation rather the same group who stood against the proposal kept objecting. The said proposal seems to satisfy the expectations of the larger community including some of the appellants who have no issues with the proposal but the process of passing it. Yet, a concensus can't be achieved.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>My submission: I want to ask, as a community, do we need to be strangulated in this way? Should it be a norm that when your negotiation fails, the community stands still? I see nothing bad in that proposal and it has to pass in some way. Let us move forward, please!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>Wishing all of us a prosperous and focused new year.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>Eucharia Nwachukwu<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>On Jan 4, 2018 8:28 AM, "Andrew Alston" <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com" target="_blank">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div id="m_-1654188649362912706m_4880714762994644373compose-container"><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>Go right ahead Omo - I did state that if there was no negotiation a counter proposal would be coming - 100 percent I did - because we believed all along on the repeal.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>That reach out to you was an effort to prevent that - but you rejected it.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>But if we want to start sharing other skype logs - maybe I should also respond with the rest of the logs with your co-authors - happy to oblige on that as well - let me know if you wish to play that game - I would rather not - but it’s up to you.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>The fact is - an attempt was made to reach out - and it was openly and transparently stated that if a compromise could not be met - a counter proposal would be coming - I stand by that and always will<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>Andrew<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>Get <a href="https://aka.ms/o0ukef" target="_blank">Outlook for iOS</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='margin-left:.5in;text-align:center'><hr size=2 width="98%" align=center></div><div id="m_-1654188649362912706m_4880714762994644373divRplyFwdMsg"><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><span style='color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='color:black'> Omo Oaiya <<a href="mailto:Omo.Oaiya@wacren.net" target="_blank">Omo.Oaiya@wacren.net</a>><br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 4, 2018 10:12:51 AM<br><b>To:</b> Sander Steffann<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:pdwg-appeal@afrinic.net" target="_blank">pdwg-appeal@afrinic.net</a>; AfriNIC RPD MList.<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [rpd] Appeal against softlanding-bis declaration of consensus</span> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>On 3 January 2018 at 10:21, Sander Steffann <<a href="mailto:sander@steffann.nl" target="_blank">sander@steffann.nl</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>Hello rpd and appeals committee,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>I am also one of the contributors to the memorandum sent by Andrew and I fully support its contents. While my personal opinions about the policy proposal are not as strong as those of other opposers, I do recognise that their objections have not been addressed and that therefore there can be no consensus on this proposal.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>Building community-wide consensus, or acknowledging that there is no consensus and withdrawing, are the cornerstones of our policy development process. Violations of that process are a serious danger to the community. Therefore I support this appeal.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>Sincerely,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>Sander Steffann<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></blockquote></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>The real danger to the community in my view is cohorts who seek to impose their wishes on the AfriNIC community by abusing loopholes in the process in the guise of upholding its tenets.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>My reasons for responding to this thread:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>#1 - I am explicitly named in the appeal as refusing to enter into discussions on competing proposals. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>#2 - Reference is also made to a Skype conversation with the SL-BIS authors in the appeal document<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>1) Some background history behind AFPUB-2016-V4-001<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>Shortly after AFPUB-2016-V4-001 came out – a second proposal was put to the floor to repeal the current (and now active) soft landing proposal. This was done after attempts to communicate with the authors of AFPUB-2016-V4-001 around the policy directly failed (sadly these communications were on Skype and the logs are long gone – so since this cannot be proven, it is submitted merely as unsubstantiated background, however the publication of the second policy is well documented fact)<br> <o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>Well, can I provide substantiated background? I have these Skype logs. What they show is that violations of AfriNIC processes may have been going on for some time and not always for community interest.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>On 10th Feb 2016, shortly after the Softlanding-BIS proposal was announced on the list, Mr Alston contacted me on Skype to reach what he termed an "amicable agreement”. He advised that we needed to negotiate otherwise he would post a counterproposal which had 8 authors on the lists and claimed that neither would pass as it was very easy to block consensus on policies. <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>The rest is in the archives. We have since seen the various attempts to make good on this threat to block consensus on SL-BIS. The proposal ended up being unnecessarily contentious despite its aim for the best interests of the whole community. Failing to block consensus on the policy, the process which had served well up till now has become the new AfriNIC structure to assault.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>I had considered these logs private but as Mr Alston cites them in his appeal, I am happy to produce.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>Best wishes<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>Omo Oaiya<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><br>_______________________________________________<br>RPD mailing list<br><a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net" target="_blank">RPD@afrinic.net</a><br><a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>_______________________________________________ RPD mailing list RPD@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd <o:p></o:p></p></div></body></html>