<div dir="auto">++++1 Kris.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Thanks for this submission and sorry for the loss of your grand daughter. Season greetings to all!</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"></> $Tim</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Dec 30, 2017 10:58 AM, "Kris Seeburn" <<a href="mailto:seeburn.k@gmail.com">seeburn.k@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space">People,<div><br></div><div>Let’s have a decorum on the list please. The old players know the ball game we do not need those new to the list to be spoiled. Shooting at each other here makes no sense. If there is grounds for Appeals, the board has setup up an Appeal committee already. So in the interest of not spamming the list with same opinions etc., let the process follow its path. I humbly implore to all that we respect and give respect to all on the list. </div><div><br></div><div>We are mere human beings and we do not need to be firing all the time. Sometimes listening to others views can make sense sometimes not. This is why we have a wider community. Petitions or not the board took its time but has an appeals committee set. What will follow is in the hands of the instance we voted for the Board. As far as PDP co-chairs they are in their learning curve everyone is bound to mistakes. So i urge everyone in this time of the year when we are family bound to focus and let the instances put in place to do their jobs.</div><div><br></div><div>So again my humblest request it is a time for peace and doing the right things we may not always like things like “code of ethics” on the list but we all eventually made it a moto to refer to it whenever the slope got steep. </div><div><br></div><div>So let’s give everyone their chances and it is known to be like this with a wide community and background and also of culture. So i implore your good sense in this festive season where peace is the word. Let the proceeds follow and the outcome may it be will be. </div><div><br></div><div>That is my request to all. You may associate me with anyone but what i want is a community that dwells together, work together for the RIR that was created for the continent.</div><div><br></div><div>I take this hearty time for me since i just lost my grandmother whom has always tried to guide me. I owe much to her teachings. Let’s work as a continent not as franco, english or whatsoever. We do not need colonisation again. Each country is striving to get to where we need to be. Let’s bear the time of peace in mind and look at common good. </div><div><br></div><div>As an ending note please do not follow on my email this is what i wanted to share with all colleagues and friends here. Move AFRINIC to its ideology and not the background politics that destroys it.</div><div><br></div><div>So ‘Seasons greetings to all"<br><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Dec 30, 2017, at 13:32, Jacob Odame <<a href="mailto:jacobodame00@gmail.com" target="_blank">jacobodame00@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="m_2204509663547389199Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div>You are correct Kangamutima.<div><br></div><div>The motive and intentions of that group is clear.</div><div><br></div><div>Jacob<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2017-12-29 15:36 GMT+03:00 Kangamutima zabika Christophe <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:funga.roho@yandex.com" target="_blank">funga.roho@yandex.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div> <br></div><div><span lang="en"><span title="Pour moi le problème est qu'au vu de la procédure actuelle,
">For me, the problem is that, given the current procedure,</span><br><span title="un détracteur peut contacter un petit groupe d'amis pour lancer des objections dans tous les sens afin juste de bloquer indéfiniment une proposition.">a detractor can contact a small group of friends to raise objections in all directions just to block a proposal indefinitely. </span><span title="Et dans le cas le de la proposition d'aterissage en douceur.">And in the case of the proposal of soft landing. </span><span title="Les contestataires prétendent eux-mêmes juger de l'objectivité de leurs arguments.
">The protesters themselves claim to judge the objectivity of their arguments.</span><br><span title="Ceux-ci pensent que plus ils commentent, plus ils insistent, plus ils ont raison.
">They think that the more they comment, the more they insist, the more they are right.</span><br><span title="Ceux-ci ne prennent pas le recul d'analyser d'abord les arguments du groupe de travail.
">They do not take the step back to analyze the arguments of the working group first.</span><br><span title="En plus quand vous voulez promouvoir un groupe de gens ou d'entités il faut d'abord peser leurs intérêts par rapport aux priorités de ce continent.
">In addition, when you want to promote a group of people or entities you must first weigh their interests against the priorities of this continent.</span><br><span title="Dans l'esprit de cette proposition, les auteurs veulent bien pérénniser la croissance d'internet en Afrique mais avec des gardes-fous,
">In the spirit of this proposal, the authors want to perpetuate the growth of the Internet in Africa, but with safeguards,</span><br><span title="nous ne sommes une jungle numérique où des braconniers armés des requêtes en ressources viendrait dilapider voracement les ressources numériques de notre continent.
">we are not a digital jungle where poachers armed with resource demands would voraciously squander the digital resources of our continent.</span><br><span title="Et d'ailleurs dans toutes ces discussions je n'ai pas lu d'interlocuteurs qui parlaient des FAI qui détiennent encore des quantités énormes des ressources numériques non écoulés (provenant même d'autres RIR dans certains cas) comme c'est le cas en">And besides in all these discussions I did not read any interlocutors who spoke about the ISPs who still hold enormous amounts of the unabsorbed digital resources (even coming from other RIRs in some cases) as it is the case. </span><span title="République Démocratique du Congo, en République du Congo, et d'autres pays dans la région.
">Democratic Republic of Congo, Republic of Congo, and other countries in the region.</span><br><span title="Je reconnais qu'au regard de son parcours Owen a une vue transcendante de la question mais il contextualise pas correctement la problématique par rapport aux réalités locales.">I recognize that in view of his career Owen has a transcendent view of the issue, but he does not contextualize the problem correctly in relation to local realities.</span></span></div><br>______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
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