<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div></div><div><br></div><div><br>On Dec 28, 2017, at 00:36, Noah <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz">noah@neo.co.tz</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="auto"><div><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature">On 27 Dec 2017 19:13, "Andrew Alston" <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>
a.) The fact that there were multiple requests – including from the chair of the board in Mauritius – to withdraw this policy – something the authors have not addressed<br></blockquote></div></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">But the authors reserved the right to uphelp their policy proposal and based on new recommendations from various members of the PDPWG, they updated their policy proposal which evolved to version.7.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
b.) The fact that entities who had already built infrastructure could not access sufficient space to utilize that infrastructure – vs those who had not yet built infrastructure who wanted the space locked up for future use<br></blockquote></div></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I read "sufficient"</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Andrew, In times of scarcity, version.7 states below. And this is true for each calender year.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><p style="margin-top:5px;margin-bottom:5px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:helvetica,arial,freesans,sans-serif;font-size:12px;background-color:rgb(238,238,238)"><span style="color:rgb(255,102,0)">5.4.6 Allowable Limits</span></p><p style="margin-top:5px;margin-bottom:5px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:helvetica,arial,freesans,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(238,238,238)"> </p><p style="margin-top:5px;margin-bottom:5px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:helvetica,arial,freesans,sans-serif;font-size:12px;background-color:rgb(238,238,238)"><span style="color:rgb(255,102,0)">5.4.6.1 Within any 24-month period during Exhaustion Phase 1, an organization may receive one or more allocations/assignments totalling the equivalent of a /18.</span></p></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Pan African entities would still access more resources from their various local operations to meet the demands in each country of operation. But i stand to be corrected.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>That depends a great deal on how AfriNIC chooses to interpret “organization” and how the pan-African entity is organized. <div><br></div><div>If it’s a holding company with separate operating entities in each country and each of those entities has a separate org-I’d and separate account with AfriNIC, then perhaps it would be as you say. </div><div><br></div><div>OTOH, if the company is a single entity with a single org-Id and a single account with AfriNIC, this would severely limit their operations. </div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
c.) The fact that this policy is damaging to the end user and we act to increase penetration on the continent today rather than just protecting the interests of the ISPs<br></blockquote></div></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">How damaging is a max of /18 during period of scarcity where there is only less than a /8 remaining in the inventory.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>Very</div><div><br></div><div>You are increasing short term scarcity in order to prolong the period of scarcity to delay the onset of exhaustion. </div><div><br></div><div>In reality, for major operators connecting millions of customers, you are effectively accelerating runout. </div><div><br></div><div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
d.) The fact that this policy may well put afrinic in violation of section 3.4.1 of the bylaws<br></blockquote></div></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">How????? </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Anyways, that section of the bylaws says below</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><p style="margin-top:5px;margin-bottom:5px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:helvetica,arial,freesans,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(238,238,238)">3.4 </p><p style="margin-top:5px;margin-bottom:5px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:helvetica,arial,freesans,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(238,238,238)">(i) to provide the service of allocating and registering Internet resources for the purposes of enabling communications via open system network protocols and to assist in the development and growth of the Internet in the African region;</p></div><div dir="auto"><br></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I’ll let Andrew defend this one. I could see that going either way. It’s definitely a gray area. </div><div><br></div><div>Owen</div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">And SL-BIS version 7 has cretarias of how the said allocations would be achieved. Please see below section of SL-BIS ver.7</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><p style="margin-top:5px;margin-bottom:5px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:helvetica,arial,freesans,sans-serif;font-size:12px;background-color:rgb(238,238,238)"><span style="color:rgb(255,102,0)"><br>5.4.3.1 Exhaustion Phase 1</span></p><p style="margin-top:5px;margin-bottom:5px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:helvetica,arial,freesans,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(238,238,238)"> </p><p style="margin-top:5px;margin-bottom:5px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:helvetica,arial,freesans,sans-serif;font-size:12px;background-color:rgb(238,238,238)"><span style="color:rgb(255,102,0)">5.4.3.1.1 During this phase, allocation/assignment of IPv4 address space will continue as in Pre-Exhaustion with the minimum set at /24, but the maximum will change from /10 to /18, subject to the provisions in 5.4.6</span></p><p style="margin-top:5px;margin-bottom:5px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:helvetica,arial,freesans,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(238,238,238)"> </p><p style="margin-top:5px;margin-bottom:5px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:helvetica,arial,freesans,sans-serif;font-size:12px;background-color:rgb(238,238,238)"><span style="color:rgb(255,102,0)">5.4.3.1.2 Allocations and assignments will be made from the final /8 or from any other IPv4 address space available to AFRINIC, until no more than a /11 of non-reserved space is available in the Final /8. At this point the exhaustion phase 2 will begin.</span></p><p style="margin-top:5px;margin-bottom:5px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:helvetica,arial,freesans,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(238,238,238)"> </p><p style="margin-top:5px;margin-bottom:5px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:helvetica,arial,freesans,sans-serif;font-size:12px;background-color:rgb(238,238,238)"><span style="color:rgb(255,102,0)">5.4.3.1.3 For the avoidance of doubt all applications in the process at this point will be evaluated as per the new policy. </span></p><p style="margin-top:5px;margin-bottom:5px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:helvetica,arial,freesans,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(238,238,238)"> </p><p style="margin-top:5px;margin-bottom:5px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:helvetica,arial,freesans,sans-serif;font-size:12px;background-color:rgb(238,238,238)"><span style="color:rgb(255,102,0)">5.4.3.2 Exhaustion Phase 2</span></p><p style="margin-top:5px;margin-bottom:5px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:helvetica,arial,freesans,sans-serif;font-size:12px;background-color:rgb(238,238,238)"><span style="color:rgb(255,102,0)">Exhaustion Phase 2 will start when no more than a /11 of non-reserved space is available from the final /8. During this phase, the maximum allocation/assignment size will be /22, and the minimum shall remain at /24, subject to the provisions in 5.4.6</span></p><p style="margin-top:5px;margin-bottom:5px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:helvetica,arial,freesans,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(238,238,238)"> </p></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Cheers,</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Noah</div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"></blockquote></div></div></div></div>
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