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<p>Though I'd share: <a
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rough_consensus">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rough_consensus</a></p>
<p><b>Rough consensus</b> is a term used in <a
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consensus_decision-making"
title="Consensus decision-making">consensus decision-making</a>
to indicate the "sense of the group" concerning a particular
matter under consideration. It has been defined as the "dominant
view" of a group as determined by its <a
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chairperson"
class="mw-redirect" title="Chairperson">chairperson</a>. The
term was first used by the <a
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Engineering_Task_Force"
title="Internet Engineering Task Force">Internet Engineering
Task Force</a> (IETF) in describing its procedures for <a
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Working_group"
title="Working group">working groups</a> (WGs).</p>
<p>The means to establish rough consensus was described by the IETF
as follows:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>Working groups make decisions through a "rough consensus"
process. IETF consensus does not require that all participants
agree although this is, of course, preferred. In general, the
dominant view of the working group shall prevail. (However,
"dominance" is not to be determined on the basis of volume or
persistence, but rather a more general sense of agreement).
Consensus can be determined by a show of hands, humming, or any
other means on which the WG agrees (by rough consensus, of
course). Note that 51% of the working group does not qualify as
"rough consensus" and 99% is better than rough. It is up to the
Chair to determine if rough consensus has been reached (IETF
Working Group Guidelines and Procedures).</p>
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<p>The phrase is often extended into the saying "rough consensus and
running code", to make it clear that the IETF is interested in
practical, working systems that can be quickly implemented. There
is some debate as to whether running code leads to rough consensus
or vice versa.</p>
<p>There is also caution about whether percentages are a good
measure for rough consensus. The IETF published a subsequent
document pointing out that supporting percentage is less important
for determining "rough consensus" than ensuring opposing views are
addressed.</p>
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<p>Now, I don't believe that opposing views have all been addressed,
thus I don't see how rough consensus could be called.<span
class="_mh6 _wsc" id="cch_f4d31525af2022"><span class="_3oh-
_58nk"> Please consider this my engagement with the PDP
co-chairs regarding how consensus has been achieved. There
have been a goodly number of totally new people objecting to
the Last Call as well - which seems to have been ignored, just
because one person posted them to the list. They</span></span><span
class="_mh6 _wsc" id="cch_f4d31525af2022"><span class="_3oh-
_58nk"> all look like unique individuals to me!<br>
</span></span></p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 27/12/2017 08:04, Jacob Odame wrote:<br>
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<div>See here</div>
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26 December 2017 at 23:29:03, Sander Steffann
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target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">sander@steffann.nl</a>)
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<div>Hello chairs,<br>
<br>
> Please find the attached report on
the Policy Proposal Report on the Policy
Proposal “AFPUB-2016-V4-001-DRAFT07"(<wbr>IPv4
Soft Landing BIS).<br>
<br>
Thank you for the report. I haven't
spoken up earlier because everything
that needed to be said was already
posted by others in this working group,
and I didn't want to add any noise.
However, based on what I have seen on
this mailing list I strongly feel that
the conclusion you reached in your
report is incorrect. There was nothing
remotely resembling rough consensus, and
I ask you to revise your conclusions.<br>
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Cheers,<br>
Sander <br>
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