<div dir="ltr">Hi<div><br></div><div>I just want to add, the soft landing policy both in RIPE and APNIC region has created lots of abuse, discussion and multiple meeting discussion, patching one loophole while creating another--people from those regions can tell you how exhausting for the communities try to preserve those space for un-know future comers that might not even need it in the first place.</div><div><br></div><div>So no, soft landing itself might not be a great idea from the start.</div><div><br></div><div>Although I disagree with many ARIN policies, running to 0 might be a very wise policy.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 22 December 2017 at 02:01, Owen DeLong <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" target="_blank">owen@delong.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class=""><br>
> On Dec 21, 2017, at 00:12 , Jackson Muthili <<a href="mailto:jacksonmuthi@gmail.com">jacksonmuthi@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 9:57 AM, Andrew Alston<br>
> <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.<wbr>com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>> So yes if you need a /11 you will instead get a /18 but it will allow<br>
>>> 127 more companies to get a /18. Does this sound unreasonable (during<br>
>>> a scarcity)?<br>
>><br>
>> Actually – if one company is doing 20+ thousand new subscribers a month –<br>
>> and the other company is doing 500 subscribers a month<br>
><br>
> Now you see where you self contradict.<br>
><br>
> If your analogy were used when IANA had 5 /8s left, AfriNIC would have<br>
> got none of that.<br>
<br>
</span>There are plenty of people who would argue this would have been appropriate.<br>
<br>
Note: I’m not one of them, but they do exist.<br>
<br>
However, I don’t see this as self-contradictory. An exception was made for<br>
the governance of those resources in order to facilitate a predictable wind-<br>
down for each RIR.<br>
<br>
AfriNIC has a Soft Landing policy today which does that very same thing.<br>
<br>
The proposed additional restrictions in SL-BIS would reduce this predictability<br>
and waste resources by making them unavailable for deployment in real networks<br>
for many years to come. The last 5 /8 global policy, on the other hand, actually<br>
deployed the resources (arguably more rapidly than they may have been deployed<br>
without it).<br>
<span class=""><br>
<br>
>> But – I guess for some this is all about their companies – forget the<br>
>> consumers that actually need to be connections today – forget the fact that<br>
>> we are meant to be trying to increase African penetration levels – TODAY –<br>
><br>
> Again if your analogy were used when IANA had 5 /8s left, AfriNIC<br>
> would have got none of that.<br>
<br>
</span>Yes… Because we were willing to accelerate the distribution of an additional<br>
/8 to AfriNIC ahead of its need, it got extra space that it would not have<br>
received otherwise.<br>
<br>
SL-BIS argues for the exact opposite. If SL-BIS had been adopted instead of<br>
the final 5 /8 policy, then the last /8 AfriNIC currently holds would probably<br>
still be sitting at IANA waiting for them to hand out /20s to each RIR once<br>
every 2 years instead of /8s.<br>
<span class=""><br>
>> forget the fact that while space languishes unused<br>
><br>
> Your comment above suggests that the industry has stopped growing.<br>
> Otherwise your comment of space languishing unused is absolutely<br>
> misguided.<br>
<br>
</span>No, his comment suggests that SL-BIS will prevent industry growth<br>
due to the limitations imposed on the rate of distribution.<br>
<br>
You cannot avoid real scarcity by reducing the availability of the<br>
resource. All you can do is create real scarcity earlier and make<br>
the period of scarcity last longer.<br>
<br>
SL-BIS does exactly that.<br>
<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
Owen<br>
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</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div>--<br>Kind regards.<br>Lu<br><br></div></div></div>
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