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<p>Writing Andrews argument a little differently and using the Food
analogy..</p>
<p>There are a number of organisations feeding people. Some are big
and some are small. There is a lightly hood that the bigger
organisations feed multiple communities (multiple countries) and
due to size, are more efficient (less wasteful) at doing so.</p>
<p>However, the central food dispensary gives the same amount of
food per organisation. The smaller organisations are therefore
lightly to not pass on this food quickly/efficiently to those in
need where as the larger organisations will.</p>
<p>What is the better solution for the majority of the hungry
people? <-- I think this is what people should consider the
most!<br>
</p>
<p>With the existing soft-landing that is in place today, there is
still a reserve that can (and I believe, should) be used by the
current small (perhaps up to a total of a /20 ?) and new members.
That would keep small and new folk going for an additional year or
so past the depletion of the bulk of the space left.<br>
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<p>Once there is no significant IPv4 left, people will be forced to
move to using IPv6. New members in a year or so will wonder what
all the fuss is about - as IPv6 only works just fine. We really
need to "eat" the existing IPv4 up quickly (in a responsible way,
using the current policy) in order to leave no alternative except
IPv6 deployment. Then, everybody wins.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 21/12/2017 08:57, Andrew Alston
wrote:<br>
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style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">So yes if
you need a /11 you will instead get a /18 but it will allow<br>
127 more companies to get a /18. Does this sound
unreasonable (during<br>
a scarcity)?<br>
<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:18.0pt">Actually – if
one company is doing 20+ thousand new subscribers a month –
and the other company is doing 500 subscribers a month – or in
the case of a certain network run by a certain author – doing
no connections for many years and leaving only 25% of a /22
announced since the day they got the space – it sounds
ENTIRELY reasonable that the company that is connecting
African citizens who need connectivity *<b>today</b>* gets the
space.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:18.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:18.0pt">But – I guess
for some this is all about their companies – forget the
consumers that actually need to be connections today – forget
the fact that we are meant to be trying to increase African
penetration levels – TODAY – forget the fact that while space
languishes unused it is the consumers who are disadvantaged –
let’s just lock it all up forever more to feel good that we
have some IPs in the proverbial bank.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:18.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:18.0pt">Sounds to be a
little like a food bank for starving people that decides
because there could be more starving people tomorrow – the
ones who are hungry today get to go without.<o:p></o:p></p>
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J<br>
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> From: Jacob Odame [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:jacobodame00@gmail.com">mailto:jacobodame00@gmail.com</a>]<br>
> Sent: 19 December 2017 09:53 AM<br>
> To: Jackson Muthili <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jacksonmuthi@gmail.com"><jacksonmuthi@gmail.com></a><br>
> Cc: AfriNIC Board of Directors' List
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:board@afrinic.net"><board@afrinic.net></a>; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ceo@afrinic.net">ceo@afrinic.net</a>;<br>
> rpd <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net"><rpd@afrinic.net></a><br>
> Subject: Re: [rpd] Two more petitioners<br>
><br>
> These arguments make sense.<br>
><br>
> Cheers<br>
><br>
> Jacob<br>
><br>
> On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 10:37 AM, Jackson Muthili
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jacksonmuthi@gmail.com"><jacksonmuthi@gmail.com></a><br>
> wrote:<br>
><br>
> On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 12:55 AM, Andrew Alston<br>
> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com"><Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com></a> wrote:<br>
>> While I am sorely tempted to respond point to point
in your email and give<br>
>> you a lesson in facts - I will not dignify this
nonesense with such.<br>
><br>
> You are the convener of opposers. I am open to read those
facts.<br>
><br>
>> I will however say this - this is the second time you
have introduced a<br>
>> racially biased context into the PDP - and discounted
the will of a<br>
>> significant portion of the member base - based of
blatant unsubstantiated<br>
>> and inaccurate prejudice<br>
><br>
> Thank you for the comment.<br>
><br>
> The operative words in your comments are :- THE WILL OF A
SIGNIFICANT<br>
> PORTION OF THE MEMBER BASE<br>
><br>
> You see this is where the crux of your argument lies and
where the problem<br>
> is.<br>
><br>
> In your other email you state this same notion that those
opposing<br>
> contribute 30% of AfriNIC revenue.<br>
><br>
> - AfriNIC is a non profit company managing a critical
resource (IPs)<br>
> that is the engine of the internet which the UN already
declared a<br>
> basic human right.<br>
> - Because of this very nature AfriNIC cant sell IPs to
highest<br>
> bidders in an open market when those highest bidders pay
the most<br>
> revenue. Otherwise yes I will state again that if this
was the case<br>
> South Africa as the strongest economy (or one of the
strongest) would<br>
> just buy off AfriNIC and its miniature IPs and game
closed.<br>
> - You ostentatiously state that every country should be
heard equally.<br>
> Thank you for ignoring the fact that the internet
penetration rates<br>
> and state of the economy in South Africa (where you have
convened the<br>
> largest opposition) - although it can be better - is
light years ahead<br>
> of the other 53 African economies whose interests this
policy proposal<br>
> is trying to protect. To burry your head in the sand and
ignore these<br>
> realities does not take them away.<br>
><br>
> J<br>
><br>
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