<div dir="auto">Hi all, <div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I am reading all the mail and I am shocked deeply in my heurt.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I want to know what is Afrinic spirit. Afrinic is a personal organization????</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Reading the mails it seems like Adrew have a personal issue with people at Afrinic and want to monopolize the IPs for rich peuple.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Please Afrinic members we have obligation to keep IP for all African Citizen in low cost.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Best regards</div><div dir="auto">Grace Mupoyi N</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">Le 19 déc. 2017 9:06 AM, <<a href="mailto:rpd-request@afrinic.net">rpd-request@afrinic.net</a>> a écrit :<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Send RPD mailing list submissions to<br>
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1. Re: Two more petitioners (Jackson Muthili)<br>
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Message: 1<br>
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2017 10:37:57 +0300<br>
From: Jackson Muthili <<a href="mailto:jacksonmuthi@gmail.com">jacksonmuthi@gmail.com</a>><br>
To: Andrew Alston <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.<wbr>com</a>><br>
Cc: AfriNIC Board of Directors' List <<a href="mailto:board@afrinic.net">board@afrinic.net</a>>, rpd<br>
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Subject: Re: [rpd] Two more petitioners<br>
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On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 12:55 AM, Andrew Alston<br>
<<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.<wbr>com</a>> wrote:<br>
> While I am sorely tempted to respond point to point in your email and give<br>
> you a lesson in facts - I will not dignify this nonesense with such.<br>
<br>
You are the convener of opposers. I am open to read those facts.<br>
<br>
> I will however say this - this is the second time you have introduced a<br>
> racially biased context into the PDP - and discounted the will of a<br>
> significant portion of the member base - based of blatant unsubstantiated<br>
> and inaccurate prejudice<br>
<br>
Thank you for the comment.<br>
<br>
The operative words in your comments are :- THE WILL OF A SIGNIFICANT<br>
PORTION OF THE MEMBER BASE<br>
<br>
You see this is where the crux of your argument lies and where the problem is.<br>
<br>
In your other email you state this same notion that those opposing<br>
contribute 30% of AfriNIC revenue.<br>
<br>
- AfriNIC is a non profit company managing a critical resource (IPs)<br>
that is the engine of the internet which the UN already declared a<br>
basic human right.<br>
- Because of this very nature AfriNIC cant sell IPs to highest<br>
bidders in an open market when those highest bidders pay the most<br>
revenue. Otherwise yes I will state again that if this was the case<br>
South Africa as the strongest economy (or one of the strongest) would<br>
just buy off AfriNIC and its miniature IPs and game closed.<br>
- You ostentatiously state that every country should be heard equally.<br>
Thank you for ignoring the fact that the internet penetration rates<br>
and state of the economy in South Africa (where you have convened the<br>
largest opposition) - although it can be better - is light years ahead<br>
of the other 53 African economies whose interests this policy proposal<br>
is trying to protect. To burry your head in the sand and ignore these<br>
realities does not take them away.<br>
<br>
J<br>
<br>
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Message: 2<br>
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2017 10:53:19 +0300<br>
From: Jacob Odame <<a href="mailto:jacobodame00@gmail.com">jacobodame00@gmail.com</a>><br>
To: Jackson Muthili <<a href="mailto:jacksonmuthi@gmail.com">jacksonmuthi@gmail.com</a>><br>
Cc: AfriNIC Board of Directors' List <<a href="mailto:board@afrinic.net">board@afrinic.net</a>>,<br>
"<a href="mailto:ceo@afrinic.net">ceo@afrinic.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:ceo@afrinic.net">ceo@afrinic.net</a>>, rpd <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [rpd] Two more petitioners<br>
Message-ID:<br>
<<a href="mailto:CAMyo9hjekkk5ftCXJjoaM9HL5457FJe%2BPO8cJWLRBo2Hreh5_Q@mail.gmail.com">CAMyo9hjekkk5ftCXJjoaM9HL5457<wbr>FJe+PO8cJWLRBo2Hreh5_Q@mail.<wbr>gmail.com</a>><br>
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These arguments make sense.<br>
<br>
*Cheers*<br>
*Jacob*<br>
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On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 10:37 AM, Jackson Muthili <<a href="mailto:jacksonmuthi@gmail.com">jacksonmuthi@gmail.com</a>><br>
wrote:<br>
<br>
> On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 12:55 AM, Andrew Alston<br>
> <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.<wbr>com</a>> wrote:<br>
> > While I am sorely tempted to respond point to point in your email and<br>
> give<br>
> > you a lesson in facts - I will not dignify this nonesense with such.<br>
><br>
> You are the convener of opposers. I am open to read those facts.<br>
><br>
> > I will however say this - this is the second time you have introduced a<br>
> > racially biased context into the PDP - and discounted the will of a<br>
> > significant portion of the member base - based of blatant unsubstantiated<br>
> > and inaccurate prejudice<br>
><br>
> Thank you for the comment.<br>
><br>
> The operative words in your comments are :- THE WILL OF A SIGNIFICANT<br>
> PORTION OF THE MEMBER BASE<br>
><br>
> You see this is where the crux of your argument lies and where the problem<br>
> is.<br>
><br>
> In your other email you state this same notion that those opposing<br>
> contribute 30% of AfriNIC revenue.<br>
><br>
> - AfriNIC is a non profit company managing a critical resource (IPs)<br>
> that is the engine of the internet which the UN already declared a<br>
> basic human right.<br>
> - Because of this very nature AfriNIC cant sell IPs to highest<br>
> bidders in an open market when those highest bidders pay the most<br>
> revenue. Otherwise yes I will state again that if this was the case<br>
> South Africa as the strongest economy (or one of the strongest) would<br>
> just buy off AfriNIC and its miniature IPs and game closed.<br>
> - You ostentatiously state that every country should be heard equally.<br>
> Thank you for ignoring the fact that the internet penetration rates<br>
> and state of the economy in South Africa (where you have convened the<br>
> largest opposition) - although it can be better - is light years ahead<br>
> of the other 53 African economies whose interests this policy proposal<br>
> is trying to protect. To burry your head in the sand and ignore these<br>
> realities does not take them away.<br>
><br>
> J<br>
><br>
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Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2017 10:04:32 +0200 (SAST)<br>
From: Saul Stein <<a href="mailto:saul@enetworks.co.za">saul@enetworks.co.za</a>><br>
To: "Jackson Muthili" <<a href="mailto:jacksonmuthi@gmail.com">jacksonmuthi@gmail.com</a>>, "rpd"<br>
<<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [rpd] Two more petitioners<br>
Message-ID: <0b2701d378a0$00c46dd0$<wbr>024d4970$@<a href="http://enetworks.co.za" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">enetworks.co.za</a>><br>
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Jackson,<br>
<br>
I see that you too are now against this policy.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
You mention your concern, as should all of ours, be about the lack of<br>
broadband penetration in Africa, then how does limiting the access to<br>
resources help? Preventing companies from getting resources hinders rather<br>
than progresses the rollout of broadband.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
From: Jacob Odame [mailto:<a href="mailto:jacobodame00@gmail.com">jacobodame00@gmail.com</a><wbr>]<br>
Sent: 19 December 2017 09:53 AM<br>
To: Jackson Muthili <<a href="mailto:jacksonmuthi@gmail.com">jacksonmuthi@gmail.com</a>><br>
Cc: AfriNIC Board of Directors' List <<a href="mailto:board@afrinic.net">board@afrinic.net</a>>; <a href="mailto:ceo@afrinic.net">ceo@afrinic.net</a>;<br>
rpd <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [rpd] Two more petitioners<br>
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<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
These arguments make sense.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Cheers<br>
<br>
Jacob<br>
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On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 10:37 AM, Jackson Muthili <<a href="mailto:jacksonmuthi@gmail.com">jacksonmuthi@gmail.com</a><br>
<mailto:<a href="mailto:jacksonmuthi@gmail.com">jacksonmuthi@gmail.com</a><wbr>> > wrote:<br>
<br>
On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 12:55 AM, Andrew Alston<br>
<<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.<wbr>com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com">Andrew.Alston@<wbr>liquidtelecom.com</a>> ><br>
wrote:<br>
> While I am sorely tempted to respond point to point in your email and give<br>
> you a lesson in facts - I will not dignify this nonesense with such.<br>
<br>
You are the convener of opposers. I am open to read those facts.<br>
<br>
> I will however say this - this is the second time you have introduced a<br>
> racially biased context into the PDP - and discounted the will of a<br>
> significant portion of the member base - based of blatant unsubstantiated<br>
> and inaccurate prejudice<br>
<br>
Thank you for the comment.<br>
<br>
The operative words in your comments are :- THE WILL OF A SIGNIFICANT<br>
PORTION OF THE MEMBER BASE<br>
<br>
You see this is where the crux of your argument lies and where the problem<br>
is.<br>
<br>
In your other email you state this same notion that those opposing<br>
contribute 30% of AfriNIC revenue.<br>
<br>
- AfriNIC is a non profit company managing a critical resource (IPs)<br>
that is the engine of the internet which the UN already declared a<br>
basic human right.<br>
- Because of this very nature AfriNIC cant sell IPs to highest<br>
bidders in an open market when those highest bidders pay the most<br>
revenue. Otherwise yes I will state again that if this was the case<br>
South Africa as the strongest economy (or one of the strongest) would<br>
just buy off AfriNIC and its miniature IPs and game closed.<br>
- You ostentatiously state that every country should be heard equally.<br>
Thank you for ignoring the fact that the internet penetration rates<br>
and state of the economy in South Africa (where you have convened the<br>
largest opposition) - although it can be better - is light years ahead<br>
of the other 53 African economies whose interests this policy proposal<br>
is trying to protect. To burry your head in the sand and ignore these<br>
realities does not take them away.<br>
<br>
J<br>
<br>
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Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2017 08:05:02 +0000 (GMT)<br>
From: Dewole Ajao <<a href="mailto:dewole@forum.org.ng">dewole@forum.org.ng</a>><br>
To: Badru Ntege <<a href="mailto:badru.ntege@nftconsult.com">badru.ntege@nftconsult.com</a>><br>
Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC <<a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a><wbr>>,<br>
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Subject: Re: [rpd] [Community-Discuss] Removal of a director<br>
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Hi Badru Ntege,<br>
<br>
Your submission in the email below (regarded as disrespectful disagreement) are against the spirit of our discussions here and within the AFRINIC community as a whole.<br>
As a reminder, the code of conduct can be viewed at [ <a href="https://www.afrinic.net/community/code-of-conduct" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.afrinic.net/<wbr>community/code-of-conduct</a> | <a href="https://www.afrinic.net/community/code-of-conduct" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.afrinic.net/<wbr>community/code-of-conduct</a> ]<br>
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Please withdraw that statement. In addition, your email account will be moderated on the rpd list for a period of two weeks. During the period for which your posts are moderated, someone will have to look at them to ensure they are acceptable before the posts are released to the mailing list.<br>
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Regards,<br>
PDWG Co-Chairs.<br>
<br>
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From: "Badru Ntege" <<a href="mailto:badru.ntege@nftconsult.com">badru.ntege@nftconsult.com</a>><br>
To: "Sander Steffann" <<a href="mailto:sander@steffann.nl">sander@steffann.nl</a>><br>
Cc: "General Discussions of AFRINIC" <<a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a><wbr>>, "rpd" <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br>
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 5:54:43 AM<br>
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] [rpd] Removal of a director<br>
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Boubaker<br>
<br>
I can surmise it in one word ?hogwash?<br>
<br>
Regards.<br>
<br>
Sent from my iPhone<br>
<br>
On 18 Dec 2017, at 18:18, Sander Steffann < [ mailto:<a href="mailto:sander@steffann.nl">sander@steffann.nl</a> | <a href="mailto:sander@steffann.nl">sander@steffann.nl</a> ] > wrote:<br>
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Hi Boubakar,<br>
<br>
<br>
BQ_BEGIN<br>
Can someone summarize this for us? I anticipate that it will be very much appreciated.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Sure! In fact, Andrew already anticipated most of that in his email:<br>
<br>
<br>
BQ_BEGIN<br>
The summary though is as follows:<br>
<br>
BQ_END<br>
<br>
BQ_BEGIN<br>
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BQ_END<br>
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BQ_BEGIN<br>
? YES the members can remove a director ? the process would be as follows:<br>
<br>
BQ_END<br>
<br>
BQ_BEGIN<br>
<br>
<br>
BQ_END<br>
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BQ_BEGIN<br>
? Utilizing clause 7.6.viii of the bylaws invoke an SGMM ? for the purposes of passing a special resolution to amend the bylaws to allow the community to remove a director ? and please note ? that special resolution could set the required voting percentage to remove said director at whatever they liked ? there is now low watermark ? it is subject to whatever is in the constitution (as per section 138.2 of the companies act)<br>
<br>
BQ_END<br>
<br>
BQ_BEGIN<br>
? Once (a) was completed ? call a second SGMM ? for the express purpose of the removal of one or more directors ? send out the notice of said meeting with the required 14 day notice period - and then pass a resolution as permitted by the process performed in (a)<br>
<br>
BQ_END<br>
<br>
Many of the details depend on whether legally Resource Members are seen as shareholders of Afrinic, or if only the 9 Registered Members (= the board) are considered as such. It is a question that I honestly have no answer to, and although Andrew expressed his opinion, he does note that he is not a lawyer and would like independent legal counsel on the matter.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Sander<br>
<br>
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