<div dir="ltr">Dear All,<div><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt">I think there are better ways of resolving issues. I think we are taking
this to a level that would lead to a serious divisions and personal
conflicts.</span><p class="gmail-MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;line-height:normal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Please and Please let us find a common ground.<span></span></span></p>
<p class="gmail-MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;line-height:normal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">I personally think the decisions of the Chairs are not helping. We need
to accommodate others view as much as we can. <span></span></span></p>
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1. Re: Two more petitioners (Andrew Alston)<br>
2. Re: [Community-Discuss] Removal of a director (Badru Ntege)<br>
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Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2017 23:56:02 +0000<br>
From: Andrew Alston <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.<wbr>com</a>><br>
To: Noah <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz">noah@neo.co.tz</a>><br>
Cc: AfriNIC Board of Directors' List <<a href="mailto:board@afrinic.net">board@afrinic.net</a>>, rpd<br>
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Subject: Re: [rpd] Two more petitioners<br>
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Noah - please go and read his previous post to this list - and read this and that email together in context.<br>
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He blatantly used the term neo colonialism in the past one - there was nothing ambiguous about it<br>
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These emails need to be read together in context - he is deliberately attacking a part of the community that contributes in excess of 30% of the Afrinic revenue - he is making statements with no citation that are divisive in nature - he has accused South Africans of neo colonialism in blunt terms - and I have had enough. Is statements are drastically inaccurate and do not take into account the hundreds of millions of dollars invested in infrastructure outside of ZA.<br>
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The implications are pretty damn clear - and I am sick of it. Are we one continent or not? Are we one Afrinic or not? Are we all African or not?<br>
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I say yes - South African - Kenyan - Tanzanian - Nigerian - Senegalese - Togo - doesn't matter - every single member pays his dues and all opinions are equal - and if we choose to divide - that is the day that any dream of a United afrinic is dead - and that is what his emails seem to seek<br>
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Andrew<br>
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From: Noah <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz">noah@neo.co.tz</a>><br>
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 6:41:37 PM<br>
To: Andrew Alston<br>
Cc: Jackson Muthili; AfriNIC Board of Directors' List; rpd; <a href="mailto:ceo@afrinic.net">ceo@afrinic.net</a><br>
Subject: Re: [rpd] Two more petitioners<br>
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Andrew<br>
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Be specific, what exactly did Jackson say that "introduced a racially biased context." and in what way specifically has he made "accusations of Neo colonialism "?<br>
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Noah<br>
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On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 12:55 AM, Andrew Alston <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.<wbr>com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com">Andrew.Alston@<wbr>liquidtelecom.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
While I am sorely tempted to respond point to point in your email and give you a lesson in facts - I will not dignify this nonesense with such.<br>
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I will however say this - this is the second time you have introduced a racially biased context into the PDP - and discounted the will of a significant portion of the member base - based of blatant unsubstantiated and inaccurate prejudice<br>
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Chairs - please can this be dealt with - this individual has already made accusations of Neo colonialism with no basis - and nothing was done - but enough is enough.<br>
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Every member of Afrinic is equal in their right to be heard - be they black or white - South African or Egyptian or Congolese or Senegalese. The type of racial drivel and divisive language is what tears this community apart - and is totally intolerable.<br>
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Consider this an official complaint about conduct<br>
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Andrew<br>
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From: Jackson Muthili <<a href="mailto:jacksonmuthi@gmail.com">jacksonmuthi@gmail.com</a><<wbr>mailto:<a href="mailto:jacksonmuthi@gmail.com">jacksonmuthi@gmail.com</a>><wbr>><br>
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 14:15<br>
Subject: Re: [rpd] Two more petitioners<br>
To: Andrew Alston <<a href="mailto:andrew.alston@liquidtelecom.com">andrew.alston@liquidtelecom.<wbr>com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:andrew.alston@liquidtelecom.com">andrew.alston@<wbr>liquidtelecom.com</a>>><br>
Cc: rpd <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net">rpd@afrinic.net</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net">rpd@<wbr>afrinic.net</a>>><br>
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On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 6:10 PM, Andrew Alston<br>
<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.<wbr>com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com">Andrew.Alston@<wbr>liquidtelecom.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
> As per attached<br>
><br>
> _____________<br>
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Extract of attached petitions in quotes below and comments therein<br>
<br>
> To: The AFRINIC POLICY DEVELOPMENT CO-CHAIRS<br>
> RE: IPv4 Soft Landing Bis<br>
> I, the undersigned, representing Afrihost SP hereby wish to state my clear and unambiguous<br>
> opposition to the IPv4 Soft Landing BIS proposal, AFPUB-2016-V4-001-DRAFT-07<br>
> I oppose this policy because I believe that the policy in its current form is harmful to the industry<br>
<br>
Can the opposer or the convener of the opposers explain the harm that<br>
will befall our dear industry?<br>
<br>
> and<br>
> irrespective of the motives of the authors, will have the effect of limiting the growth of Internet<br>
> penetration in Africa.<br>
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According to various sources, about 13.5% of the African population<br>
has Internet access. While Africa accounts for 15.0% of the world's<br>
population, only 6.2% of the World's Internet subscribers are<br>
Africans. Africans who have access to broadband connections are<br>
estimated to be in percentage of 1% or lower.<br>
<br>
These metrics tell a compelling story about a continent whose internet<br>
is growing, but is still constrained through infrastructure, save for<br>
one country that is South Africa, where all the opposers or their<br>
convener appears to emanate. While their concerns are selfishly in the<br>
interest of their business landscape and interests, the situation in<br>
the other 53 countries is a far cry from the reality in South Africa.<br>
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For the internet to continue to grow, they will need affordable means<br>
to acquire IPv4 address space for a considerable time in the<br>
foreseeable future. Even if the IPv6 argument holds true, we have<br>
argued on here that IPv6 is the future, yes, but Africa, South Africa,<br>
Americas and the others are still far from that IPv6 future. We would<br>
otherwise not be having this conversation.<br>
<br>
For the Internet to grow in Africa and for the unconnected to still<br>
get connected, the need to preserve IPv4 space in the registry and<br>
still make it available to both new and existing operators is as<br>
extremely critical as the need itself to get connected. I cannot see a<br>
better policy to assure this than this one.<br>
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> I further believe that to lock space up in a manner that ensures that it will still be unused after the<br>
> rest of the world has moved to V6,<br>
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If the rest of the world has moved to IPv6, AFRINIC will not have run<br>
out of IPv6 space to dole out to our communities and businesses. They<br>
will all just get IPv6 simple and easy.<br>
<br>
> thereby wasting a precious African resource until such a point as<br>
> it will be worthless is completely contrary to the interests of the African industry as a whole.<br>
<br>
The principle is to fairly distribute the resource in a period of<br>
scarcity, not to greedily dole it out to the wealthiest. Do not ignore<br>
the fact that AFRINIC serves a community of 54 African countries. It<br>
does not sell IP addresses in a capitalist free market system where<br>
the richest take it all at the expense of the poorer. If the resource<br>
ever becomes worthless, IPv6 would be up and running, and the<br>
continent wins. The issue is not the *worth* or *value* of the<br>
resource, but getting everyone connected. Do not lose the purpose of<br>
the argument.<br>
<br>
> Finally, I believe that this policy and its implementation are in direct conflict with section 3.4.ii of the<br>
> AFRINIC bylaws, which reads (with particular emphasis on relevant wording indicated):<br>
> (Under Types and Objects of the company)<br>
> 3.4 The Company shall have, both within and outside the Republic of Mauritius, full capacity to carry<br>
> and/or undertake any business or activity, including, but not limited to, the following objects:<br>
> 3.4.i To provide the service of allocating and registering Internet resources for the purpose of<br>
> enabling communications via open system network protocols and to assist in the development and<br>
> growth of the Internet in the African region.<br>
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:-) no comment on this one<br>
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anyhoo I realized last call passed. My thoughts to the petitioners and<br>
their convener are to show that the points in their signed document<br>
are, although plausible in a different context, are mostly immaterial<br>
for all intents and purposes of this proposal.<br>
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I trust in good judgement of chairs as discussions progress.<br>
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J<br>
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From: Badru Ntege <<a href="mailto:badru.ntege@nftconsult.com">badru.ntege@nftconsult.com</a>><br>
To: Sander Steffann <<a href="mailto:sander@steffann.nl">sander@steffann.nl</a>><br>
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Boubaker<br>
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I can surmise it in one word ?hogwash?<br>
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Regards.<br>
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Sent from my iPhone<br>
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On 18 Dec 2017, at 18:18, Sander Steffann <<a href="mailto:sander@steffann.nl">sander@steffann.nl</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:sander@steffann.nl">san<wbr>der@steffann.nl</a>>> wrote:<br>
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Hi Boubakar,<br>
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Can someone summarize this for us? I anticipate that it will be very much appreciated.<br>
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Sure! In fact, Andrew already anticipated most of that in his email:<br>
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The summary though is as follows:<br>
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? YES the members can remove a director ? the process would be as follows:<br>
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? Utilizing clause 7.6.viii of the bylaws invoke an SGMM ? for the purposes of passing a special resolution to amend the bylaws to allow the community to remove a director ? and please note ? that special resolution could set the required voting percentage to remove said director at whatever they liked ? there is now low watermark ? it is subject to whatever is in the constitution (as per section 138.2 of the companies act)<br>
? Once (a) was completed ? call a second SGMM ? for the express purpose of the removal of one or more directors ? send out the notice of said meeting with the required 14 day notice period - and then pass a resolution as permitted by the process performed in (a)<br>
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Many of the details depend on whether legally Resource Members are seen as shareholders of Afrinic, or if only the 9 Registered Members (= the board) are considered as such. It is a question that I honestly have no answer to, and although Andrew expressed his opinion, he does note that he is not a lawyer and would like independent legal counsel on the matter.<br>
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Cheers,<br>
Sander<br>
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