<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div></div><div>Omo,</div><div><br></div><div>The Co-chair posted a public message which implied they had already determined consensus on the policy in question prematurely and prior to the close of last call. I believe this was a simple mistake on their part and said as much. I did, however, state what I would do if it turned out that this was an intentional subversion of the process. </div><div><br></div><div>I am attempting to protect the process as written and as quoted by you. I do not understand how you can claim I am attempting to subvert it. </div><div><br></div><div>You are correct, your message attacks what I said and not me personally, so it is not ad hominem. It is, however still quite erroneous on factual grounds. </div><div><br></div><div>Owen</div><div><br></div><div><br>On Dec 14, 2017, at 16:03, Omo Oaiya <<a href="mailto:Omo.Oaiya@wacren.net">Omo.Oaiya@wacren.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr">Andrew and Owen,<div><br></div><div>I have been catching up with emails today and disappointed in both of you but I cannot say I am surprised.</div><div><br></div><div>I would rather not comment as a co-author of the policy in question but I do not see anyone censuring you as they should. Mind you, this is not ad hominem so please do not insult me by claiming it is.</div><div><br></div><div>The PDP may be broken but it is what we work with at this time and it is clear yet you try to subvert it with your noise. I paste for you</div><div><br></div><div><h4 style="padding-bottom:5px;margin-top:5px;margin-bottom:10px;font-weight:normal;line-height:18.72px;font-size:14.4px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Helvetica,Arial,FreeSans,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(238,238,238)"><br class="m_731785200731961298gmail-Apple-interchange-newline">3.4.3 Last Call</h4><p style="margin-top:5px;margin-bottom:5px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Helvetica,Arial,FreeSans,sans-serif;font-size:12px;background-color:rgb(238,238,238)">A final review of the draft policy is initiated by the Working Group Chair(s) by sending an announcement to the Resource Policy Discussion mailing list. The Last Call period shall be at least two weeks. The Working Group Chair(s) shall evaluate the feedback received during the Public Policy Meeting during this period and decide whether consensus has been achieved.</p><p style="margin-top:5px;margin-bottom:5px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Helvetica,Arial,FreeSans,sans-serif;font-size:12px;background-color:rgb(238,238,238)"> </p><h4 style="padding-bottom:5px;margin-top:5px;margin-bottom:10px;font-weight:normal;line-height:18.72px;font-size:14.4px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Helvetica,Arial,FreeSans,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(238,238,238)">3.4.4 Approval</h4><p style="margin-top:5px;margin-bottom:5px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Helvetica,Arial,FreeSans,sans-serif;font-size:12px;background-color:rgb(238,238,238)">The Working Group Chair(s) shall recommend the draft policy to the AFRINIC Board of Directors for approval if it has the consensus of the Policy Development Working Group. The recommendation shall include a report of the discussions of the draft policy and feedback from the Last Call. The draft policy shall be ratified by the AFRINIC Board of Directors.</p></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">Please let the Co-chairs do their job and stop harrassing them. </div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">The recommendation and report the Co-chairs make is to the board and that is plain to see to anyone who can read. More importantly, these are volunteers and don't need your nnuendos and diatribe.</div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">I won't read your denials so don't bother.</div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">On 15 December 2017 at 00:38, Andrew Alston <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com" target="_blank">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.<wbr>com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div style="direction:ltr">No aspertions cast - I stated “in the event that” - not that the event would occur :) I was careful to add that.</div>
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, December 14, 2017 6:35:16 PM<br>
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<b>Cc:</b> Sami Salih; rpd<div><div class="m_731785200731961298h5"><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [rpd] Last Call Announcement - IPv4 Soft Landing - bis (AFPUB-2016-V4-001-DRAFT07)</div></div></font>
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<div>I prefer for the moment to give the co-chairs the benefit of the doubt and assume that they were simply careless in their phrasing.
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<div>I will wait until further action is taken before casting such aspersions or making any such accusation.</div>
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<div style="direction:ltr">I would argue though that in the event of this policy now magically finding last call consensus despite the opposition - the above email clearly demonstrates that the outcome was pre determined and opposition be damned -
which again is clear grounds for yet another appeal - and failing that - great grounds for litigation.</div>
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<div id="m_731785200731961298m_7676892548968795782divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b> Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" target="_blank">owen@delong.com</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, December 14, 2017 3:08:52 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Sami Salih<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [rpd] Last Call Announcement - IPv4 Soft Landing - bis (AFPUB-2016-V4-001-DRAFT07)</font>
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<div>Is a report to the board required if the co-chairs determine no consensus in last call?
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<div>It seems to me that pre-determining that the proposal will be sent to the board, especially in light of the sustained and vigorous opposition to it is premature at best and shows clear disregard for the PDP.</div>
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<div><span name="x"></span>Dr. Sami Salih | Assistant Professor<br>
Sudan University of Science and Technology<br>
Eastern Dum, P.O Box 11111-407<br>
email: <a href="mailto:sami.salih@sustech.edu" target="_blank">sami.salih@sustech.edu</a><br>
Mob: <a href="tel:+249%2012%20204%205707" value="+249122045707" target="_blank">+249122045707</a> <span name="x"></span><br>
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<b>From: </b>"Dewole Ajao" <<a href="mailto:dewole@forum.org.ng" target="_blank">dewole@forum.org.ng</a>><br>
<b>To: </b>"rpd" <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Thursday, December 7, 2017 8:50:09 AM<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [rpd] Last Call Announcement - IPv4 Soft Landing - bis (AFPUB-2016-V4-001-DRAFT07)<br>
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<div style="line-height:1.38;margin:0px;text-align:justify"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline">Dear PDWG Community,</span></div>
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<div style="line-height:1.38;margin:0px;text-align:justify"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline">We thank you for
your interaction following the AFRINIC-27 meetings in Lagos, Nigeria although it would be nicer to see more of constructive commentary than personal attacks.</span></div>
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<div style="line-height:1.38;margin:0px;text-align:justify"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline">Following the AFRINIC
Policy Development Process as outlined in Article 3.0 of </span><a style="text-decoration:none" href="http://www.afrinic.net/en/library/policies/1829-afrinic-consolidated-policy-manual" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1155cc;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:underline;vertical-align:baseline">http://www.afrinic.net/en/libr<wbr>ary/policies/1829-afrinic-cons<wbr>olidated-policy-manual</span></a><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline">
, the proposal IPv4 Soft Landing Bis was moved to Last Call period for further input from the community before being passed on for ratification by the AFRINIC board or returned to the mailing list.
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doubt, please see portions below. </span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-weight:bold;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline">Emphasis</span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline">
added for the purpose of explanation. </span></div>
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<span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline">3.4.2 Public Policy Meeting</span></h4>
<div style="line-height:1.38;margin:0px;text-align:justify"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:italic;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline">The draft policy
is placed on the agenda of an open public policy meeting. The agenda of the meeting shall be announced on the Resource Policy Discussion mailing list at least two weeks prior to the meeting. No change can be made to a draft policy within one week of the meeting.
This is so that a stable version of the draft policy can be considered at the meeting. *</span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline">The
Chair(s) determine(s) whether rough consensus has been achieved during the Public Policy Meeting.*</span></div>
<div style="line-height:1.38;margin:0px;text-align:justify"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:italic;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline">The Chair(s) shall
publish the minutes of proceedings of the Public Policy Meeting not later than three weeks after the meeting.</span></div>
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<span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline">3.4.3 Last Call</span></h4>
<div style="line-height:1.38;margin:0px;text-align:justify"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:italic;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline">A final review of
the draft policy is initiated by the Working Group Chair(s) by sending an announcement to the Resource Policy Discussion mailing list. The Last Call period shall be at least two weeks. *</span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline">The
Working Group Chair(s) shall evaluate the feedback received during the Public Policy Meeting during this period and decide whether consensus has been achieved.*</span></div>
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<span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline">3.4.4 Approval</span></h4>
<div style="line-height:1.38;margin:0px;text-align:justify"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline">*The Working Group
Chair(s) shall recommend the draft policy to the AFRINIC Board of Directors for approval if it has the consensus of the Policy Development Working Group.*</span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:italic;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline">
The recommendation shall include a report of the discussions of the draft policy and feedback from the Last Call. The draft policy shall be ratified by the AFRINIC Board of Directors.</span></div>
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<div style="line-height:1.38;margin:0px"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline">For your further reference,
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<div style="line-height:1.38;margin:0px"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline">Announcement of draft proposal version
discussed at Public Policy Meeting: </span><a style="text-decoration:none" href="https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2017/007658.html" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1155cc;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:underline;vertical-align:baseline">https://lists.afrinic.net/pipe<wbr>rmail/rpd/2017/007658.html</span></a><br>
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<div style="line-height:1.38;margin:0px"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline">First community comment:
</span><a style="text-decoration:none" href="https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2017/007660.html" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1155cc;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:underline;vertical-align:baseline">https://lists.afrinic.net/pipe<wbr>rmail/rpd/2017/007660.html</span></a><br>
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<div style="line-height:1.38;margin:0px"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline">Second community comment:
</span><a style="text-decoration:none" href="https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2017/007673.html" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1155cc;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:underline;vertical-align:baseline">https://lists.afrinic.net/pipe<wbr>rmail/rpd/2017/007673.html</span></a><br>
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<div style="line-height:1.38;margin:0px"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline"></span><br>
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<div style="line-height:1.38;margin:0px"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline">The proposal draft discussed at the
meeting was published on this mailing list on October 1, 2017. Over an 8-week period, that document received one comment (and a +1) stating that the IPv6 reserve be restricted only to new members.</span></div>
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<div style="line-height:1.38;margin:0px"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline">We duly observed previous comments from
those that oppose soft landing and would rather remove restrictions. This concern is addressed by the fact that the IP addresses under discussion were in fact handed to AFRINIC in 2011 under a global policy which equally redistributed the remaining IPv4 pool
amongst RIRs (effectively replacing the “on-demand” policy - despite the fact that other RIRs may have had greater need and demand at that time). Refer to Section 3 (Rationale) of
</span><a style="text-decoration:none" href="http://www.afrinic.net/library/135-global-policy-for-the-allocation-of-the-remaining-ipv4-address-space" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1155cc;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:underline;vertical-align:baseline">http://www.afrinic.net/library<wbr>/135-global-policy-for-the-<wbr>allocation-of-the-remaining-<wbr>ipv4-address-space</span></a><br>
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<div style="line-height:1.38;margin:0px"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline">While minutes of the meeting are yet
to be published, the community may observe the proceedings of the session at </span>
<a style="text-decoration:none" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-EIsBtenw0" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1155cc;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:underline;vertical-align:baseline">https://www.youtube.com/watch?<wbr>v=e-EIsBtenw0</span></a><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline">
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<div style="line-height:1.38;margin:0px"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline">Complete meeting video playlist is at
</span><a style="text-decoration:none" href="https://meeting.afrinic.net/afrinic-27/" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1155cc;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:underline;vertical-align:baseline">https://meeting.afrinic.net/af<wbr>rinic-27/</span></a><br>
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<div style="line-height:1.38;margin:0px"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline">The policy proposal IPv4 Soft-Landing
Bis remains in last call period as earlier announced.</span></div>
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as we look forward to receiving your comments and suggestions on the substance of the policy proposal under discussion.
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<div><b>From: </b>"dewole" <<a href="mailto:dewole@forum.org.ng" target="_blank">dewole@forum.org.ng</a>><br>
<b>To: </b>"rpd" <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Friday, December 1, 2017 12:17:26 PM<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Last Call Announcement - IPv4 Soft Landing - bis (AFPUB-2016-V4-001-DRAFT07)<br>
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Following discussions by the PDWG community at AFRINIC-27 during the Public Policy Meeting held on 30 November 2017 in Lagos, the following policy proposal has been moved to “Last Call”, starting today 01 December 2017.<br>
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The last call period will be 15 calendar days.<br>
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IPv4 Soft Landing - bis (AFPUB-2016-V4-001-DRAFT07) - moves to last call with the following minor modifications:<br>
Reword 5.4.7.1 to remove specific reference to “XLAT translators”<br>
Add “including IDN ccTLDs” to 5.4.7.5.3<br>
Current Version: <a href="https://afrinic.net/en/community/policy-development/policy-proposals/2247-ipv4-soft-landing-bis-" target="_blank">
https://afrinic.net/en/communi<wbr>ty/policy-development/policy-<wbr>proposals/2247-ipv4-soft-<wbr>landing-bis-</a><br>
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The Last Call period will end on 16 December 2017.<br>
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