<div dir="auto"><div dir="auto">Hi all,</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I hope that you are fine. </div><div dir="auto">I read sall discussions and it was not easy. I think that Afrinic must have one spirit in every decision.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Not to use the position you have at Afrinic To oblige people doing what is coming trough your mindset.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Every one in this continent need network access. So Afrinic is there for that.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Thanks To everyone who are working hard in this structure so that Africa move in high level of Networking. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">All the best for all Afrinic Guys.</div><div dir="auto">One mind and one spirit for Africa.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Regards</div><div dir="auto">Grace Mupoyi N.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">Le 11 déc. 2017 1:01 PM, <<a href="mailto:rpd-request@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd-request@afrinic.net</a>> a écrit :<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Send RPD mailing list submissions to<br>
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Bien vu Christophe<br>
Il ne faudrait pas utiliser l'argument de la communaut? pour retenir intentionnellement des ressources dont nous savons tous son ?puisement. Ce ne serait pas dans l' int?r?t de la communaut? Africaine?.<br>
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From: Lu Heng <<a href="mailto:h.lu@anytimechinese.com">h.lu@anytimechinese.com</a>><br>
To: Kangamutima zabika Christophe <<a href="mailto:funga.roho@yandex.com">funga.roho@yandex.com</a>><br>
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Hi<br>
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1. All IPs belong to IANA<br>
<br>
2.African internet community is not a virtual entity, for it does not own<br>
anything. It is simply a group of people who are interested in the region?s<br>
internet.<br>
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3. RIR was created to facilitate local internet development, instead of a<br>
territorial exclusive governing body?at least that was Rob?founder of the<br>
system believes.<br>
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4. On the contrary to what many believe, the resource assigned to AFRINIC<br>
was not given to Africa. In fact, those resources still belong to<br>
IANA--just like any other RIR's resource.<br>
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5. While IP remains a public resource, the usage rights of IP resource is<br>
a private right. At today's market, those rights worth millions.<br>
<br>
6. While market economy might not be the best solution, it is the only<br>
solution we know that works as centre planning and redistribution of<br>
resource(the basic ideology of communism) do not work, hundreds of millions<br>
of lives which lost in the 20th century proves this.<br>
<br>
7. Voting is rejected in the first sentence of RFC7282,<br>
<a href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7282" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://tools.ietf.org/html/<wbr>rfc7282</a> . Thus, "it would be necessary to<br>
resort to the vote" will never happen in the current process.<br>
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8. And if you look at the issue realistically, the real minority here might<br>
be those non-profit organizations and academics that supports the policy,<br>
both in terms of the number of people and the amount of resources held. I<br>
believe those ISP are way out number NGOs in this contest by far, just they<br>
did't pay as much as attention to the process as some of the NGO do. I<br>
would rather call them "*silence majority*".<br>
<br>
9. Just to stress again,* since we do not apply any soft landing space,<br>
therefore me and my cooperation have no views on this soft landing policy,*<br>
our only stand here is to correct the policy development process in which<br>
is currently broken.<br>
<br>
And if I may add, the RIR system, both the book keeper ideology as well as<br>
consensus-based decision making, is a brilliant idea that protects the<br>
system by far, the more I think about it, the more I appreciate it.<br>
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*Book keeper analogy keep RIRs away from any possible power struggles--we<br>
don't claim any power so there is nothing to take from us.*<br>
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Consensus-based decision making brilliantly avoids one huge problem with<br>
voting--who is eligible for voting and how we count vote while one internet<br>
with community is so broadly defined (which means basically all human<br>
being). Thus, if there is a voting, all sides can always bring more people<br>
therefore a decision will be practically impossible without defining<br>
eligibility. However, on the other hand, if we do define eligibility, we<br>
are in fact narrowing down the community - we are excluding people to the<br>
system. Thus, the system will not have that much support as it has today if<br>
it does not include everyone.<br>
<br>
*Consensus-based decision making avoids both problems(inclusiveness and<br>
effectiveness) in a simple and elegant way.*<br>
<br>
I must admit I really didn't realize how smart those funding members of the<br>
system are when I first talked to them. Hours-long conversations with Rob<br>
in different ripe meetings taught me a great deal, however it took me quiet<br>
a certain period of time to fully appreciate and understand. Hopefully his<br>
conversation won't get wasted by passing on to people like you and me who<br>
can maintain the system's longevity and prosperity.<br>
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On Fri, Dec 8, 2017 at 16:05 Kangamutima zabika Christophe <<br>
<a href="mailto:funga.roho@yandex.com">funga.roho@yandex.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Lu,<br>
><br>
> Concernant ton opinion sur la politiques d'attribution des ressources<br>
> num?riques, si je te comprends bien. Pour toi, ces ressources bien qu'?tant<br>
> allou?s par IANA pour la zone Afrique n'appartiennent ? personne ? part une<br>
> entit? virtuelle d?nomm?e communaut? d'internaute africain. M?me dans une<br>
> ?conomie de march?, il y a toujours un arbirtre qui veille au respect des<br>
> r?gles des jeux c'est pourquoi il y a des autorit?s de r?gulation des<br>
> march?s financiers, des t?l?communications, etc.<br>
> Historiquement, nous avons vu toutes les d?rives d'un syst?me d'?conomie<br>
> de march? sauvage. En cas de crash, ceux-ci recourent encore ? l'Etat ou<br>
> laisse les pauvres consommateurs livr?s ? leur triste sort. Et m?me parmi<br>
> les acteurs de cet ?conomie, ils recourent ? une juridiction d'arbitrage en<br>
> cas de litige ou contentieux. En plus dans la politique vis?e, l'objectif<br>
> poursuivi est d'?viter la r?tention intentionnelle d'adresses IP pouvant<br>
> ?tre attribu? ailleurs pour utilisation imm?diate. Ces ressources sont<br>
> consid?r?es comme des biens num?riques utilitaires pas des pi?ces ? placer<br>
> dans un mus?e num?riques d'adresses quit ? les ressortir un jour pour cr?er<br>
> la sp?culation sur le march? ou d'autres raisons similaires.<br>
><br>
> Concernant le PDP, le probl?me qu'il faut aussi une autre autorit?<br>
> ind?pendante pour v?rifier de la violation ou pas de la proc?dure<br>
> d'?laboration des politiques. En lisant la RFC que tu avais mentionn? dans<br>
> ton pr?c?dent message, j'ai compris l'esprit des dispositions du PDP. A mon<br>
> avis, je pense qu'il faudrait d?terminer les mati?res pour lesquelles la<br>
> communaut? pourrait recourir au consensus et d'autres pour lesquelles on en<br>
> dernier recours par exemple il faudrait recourir au vote, et mettre un<br>
> accent sur les divergences et les divergences mineures pour la<br>
> d?termination de la m?thode ? adopter.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Lu,<br>
><br>
> Regarding your opinion on the policy of allocation of digital resources,<br>
> if I understand you correctly. For you, these resources, although<br>
> allocated by IANA for the Africa zone, belong to no one but a virtual<br>
> entity called the African Internet community. Even in a market economy,<br>
> there is always an arbitrator who ensures compliance with the rules of the<br>
> games, which is why there are regulatory authorities for the financial<br>
> markets, telecommunications, etc.<br>
> Historically, we have seen all the excesses of a wild market economy<br>
> system. In the event of a crash, they still resort to the state or leave<br>
> the poor consumers left to their sad fate. And even among the players in<br>
> this economy, they resort to an arbitration court in case of litigation or<br>
> litigation. In addition to the policy, the goal is to avoid the<br>
> intentional retention of IP addresses that can be assigned elsewhere for<br>
> immediate use. These resources are considered to be digital utilities,<br>
> not pieces to be placed in a digital museum of addresses that will take<br>
> them out one day to create speculation on the market or other similar<br>
> reasons.<br>
><br>
> Regarding the PDP, the problem that it also requires another independent<br>
> authority to verify the violation or not of the policy making procedure. Reading<br>
> the RFC you mentioned in your previous post, I understood the spirit of the<br>
> provisions of the PDP. In my opinion, I think that it would be necessary<br>
> to determine the subjects for which the community could resort to the<br>
> consensus and others for which one last resort for example it would be<br>
> necessary to resort to the vote, and to put stress on the divergences and<br>
> the minor divergences for the determination of the method to be adopted.<br>
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