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<p><font size="-1">Hi All</font></p>
<p><font size="-1">I wish to register my opposition and formal
objection to both the substance of this policy as well is the
process that has been followed in reaching this point.</font></p>
<p><font size="-1">Thanks<br>
Graham Beneke</font><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2017/12/04 08:28 AM, Andrew Alston
wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Christian
–<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Why
would people want to sign up to this list?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">So
they can be called Neo-Colonialists when they disagree? So
they can be insulted? So they be attacked verballed and
abused? So that when that happens they can watch as the
code of conduct on the list is never enforced and it happens
time and time and time again? So they can be spammed my
messages that have nothing to do with policy and are often
not based in any objective fact?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I
can fully understand why people stay away from this list –
and further more – technical people subscribe to the list –
these policies have business impact – and if you think that
the C Level executives who are signing these documents are
going to be on this list – think again – they rely on their
technical people to report to them and give them the facts –
they rely on the information from outside. Very often,
those technical people do not have the authority to sign a
statement like that – however, the executives want the
statement made. Let them make it – it is them that are
paying AfriNIC’s membership fees which let AfriNIC continue
to exist<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Andrew<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
lang="EN-US"> Christian Ahiauzu
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:christian.ahiauzu@uniport.edu.ng">mailto:christian.ahiauzu@uniport.edu.ng</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 04 December 2017 00:49<br>
<b>To:</b> Andrew Alston
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com"><Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Badru Ntege <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:badru.ntege@nftconsult.com"><badru.ntege@nftconsult.com></a>;
AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net"><rpd@afrinic.net></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [rpd] FW: Opposition to the changes in
the AfriNIC Soft Landing Policy<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p>Hi Andrew,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>On Dec 3, 2017 5:59 AM, "Andrew Alston" <<a
href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
><br>
> On the contrary Badru,<br>
><br>
> They have chosen to send their thoughts to the RPD - they
are following the process - and having their voice heard on
the policy list.<br>
><o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Yes. They are having their voice heard on the RPD, but the
question is, if they haven't signed up on the RPD, are they
hearing other peoples voices?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Remember, you are either participating on the RPD, or at the
face to face meeting which is the climax of the PDP process. I
wonder if these "ISPs" have been following the discussion on
the list, and how the decisions where taken. I have no problem
with someone protesting or appealing the decision of the
co-chairs. However, they should give themselves the benefit of
the doubt and participate in the processes that climaxed to
the final rough consensus.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>> What the pdp says is that thoughts should be heard on
the list - or at the microphone - nowhere does it state that
communication to the list cannot be formal - nowhere does it
state it cannot be in a pdf - nowhere does it state that it
cannot be signed.<br>
><br>
> The process is being followed - the communication is via
the RPD list - and if this violates the process please can
someone point to chapter and verse as to where in the
process? Once I have it I will go back to the larger block
and explain to them that Afrinic’s process has decided to try
and implement a policy that could damage their businesses and
this industry while at the same time refusing to let them be
heard on the issue - in the forum they were meant to be heard
in - because they chose to do it via a signed letter rather
than get abused on a list with vague statements of
Neo-colonialism and such.<br>
><o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Going back to a "larger group" and explaining to them things,
may not be the right way to go. Why should they not hear for
themselves and judge for themselves. What is wrong with them
signing up for a list and participating for themselves. With
all due respect, I really think they should sign up on the
List and even if they wish to put up a signed document, they
are free to do so. My personal opinion please.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>> Be curious to see how that plays out<br>
><br>
> Andrew <br>
><br>
> Get Outlook for iOS<br>
> ________________________________<br>
> From: Badru Ntege <<a
href="mailto:badru.ntege@nftconsult.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">badru.ntege@nftconsult.com</a>><br>
> Sent: Sunday, December 3, 2017 6:56:04 AM<br>
> To: Andrew Alston<br>
> Cc: Alan Barrett; Afrinic RPD<br>
><br>
> Subject: Re: [rpd] FW: Opposition to the changes in the
AfriNIC Soft Landing Policy<br>
> <br>
> Since these are expressions and the authors have chosen
to use a channel out of the RPD then other members could see
it as noise. <br>
> Appreciate and note the expressions however continue with
information and discussion in the RPD. <br>
><br>
> Let’s not innovate creative channels. There processes to
introduce change if members wish to introduce petitions. <br>
><br>
> Regards <br>
><br>
> Sent from my iPhone<br>
><br>
> On 3 Dec 2017, at 03:24, Andrew Alston <<a
href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
><br>
>> There is nothing that *requires* it – there is also
nothing that forbids it.<br>
>><br>
>> <br>
>><br>
>> There was a discussion in various forums about how to
handle this – and various ISP’s have opted to rather sign the
petition document and have to forwarded to the list by a
single individual – they wish to partake but do not wish to
put up with the noise on this list, so, they are choosing to
express their views in their own way.<br>
>><br>
>> <br>
>><br>
>> Since each of them is a paying member, and each of
them is impacted by policy, I believe they should be free to
express their views in any way they wish, and if that is by
signing a petition document and having someone else send it
through to the list, I hardly see a reason to stop it.<br>
>><br>
>> <br>
>><br>
>> Thanks<br>
>><br>
>> <br>
>><br>
>> Andrew<br>
>><br>
>> <br>
>><br>
>> <br>
>><br>
>> From: Alan Barrett [mailto:<a
href="mailto:alan.barrett@afrinic.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">alan.barrett@afrinic.net</a>]
<br>
>> Sent: 02 December 2017 11:37<br>
>> To: Afrinic RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br>
>> Subject: Re: [rpd] FW: Opposition to the changes in
the AfriNIC Soft Landing Policy<br>
>><br>
>> <br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> > On 1 Dec 2017, at 15:45, Andrew Alston <<a
href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
>> > <br>
>> > Please see attached.<br>
>> > <br>
>> > By agreement I will be sending these signed
documents through as they come in from the various parties.<br>
>><br>
>> I don’t know what agreement you mean.<br>
>><br>
>> I am not aware of anything in the policy development
process or the appeal process that requires signed documents
similar to those I have seen in the past day or so. If people
have objections to a policy proposal, I would suggest that
they follow the existing process and make their comments in
the RPD mailing list.<br>
>><br>
>> Alan Barrett<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> _______________________________________________<br>
>> RPD mailing list<br>
>> <a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">RPD@afrinic.net</a><br>
>> <a
href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd"
moz-do-not-send="true">
https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a><br>
>><br>
>> _______________________________________________<br>
>> RPD mailing list<br>
>> <a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">RPD@afrinic.net</a><br>
>> <a
href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd"
moz-do-not-send="true">
https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a><br>
><br>
><br>
> _______________________________________________<br>
> RPD mailing list<br>
> <a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net" moz-do-not-send="true">RPD@afrinic.net</a><br>
> <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd"
moz-do-not-send="true">
https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a><br>
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