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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Badru,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Wait, there were objections when I said I would engage the chairs of the PDP offline – but now I am told to engage the board offline?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">It is a sad that that I have come to the conclusion that standard methods of engagement are no longer really effective. Let us look at things objectively:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">There has been an open request made multiple times for the board to justify their travel to this community and give us reports on what our
money is being spent on and what justification there is to it – it has never been addressed<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">There are outstanding legal questions that could have dramatic effects on this organisation – specifically – is AfriNIC in direct violation
of section 46 of the Mauritian Competitions act of 2007 – despite the fact that investigations would commence on the 20<sup>th</sup> of October – we have still not had a word of feedback on that issue<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">There is talk about how AfriNIC belongs to the whole continent – no – it doesn’t – it belongs to the directors – they are the ones that hold
*<b>ALL</b>* the legal standing – that is hard fact<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">In Mauritius – in a special resolution – there was a resolution tabled to state that a director leaving the board had an obligation to hand
back his membership of the organization – this was just assumed before. That same resolution was voted against by the membership – in effect legitimizing a situation where an elected director who is granted membership of this organisation in a legal capacity
*<b>never</b>* has to give it up again. Which in turn – creates a very interesting situation that because of the structure of the company specifying the number of directors in the bylaws – no new directors would be able to be appointed. Why this community
chose to vote that way – only heaven alone knows – but we effectively legitimized a situation where a director can remain a “part owner” of the company for life, based not on what was good for the organization but rather because we didn’t like who proposed
the resolutions.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">AfriNIC has never been willing to sign NDA’s with its members – despite commitment to do so which is documented in the IANA Report on the recognition
of AfriNIC dated 8<sup>th</sup> April 2005 (Section 10) – because the RSA is NOT a non-disclosure agreement.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Consensus in the PDP is ignored – it has become a game of majority – on the floor in Mauritius there were individuals arguing that there was no need for a last call – and that a few objections could
not silence a proposal – never mind the fact that this flies in the face of what rough consensus is defined as.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Let us be real – AfriNIC does belong to this community or the members who pay its money – it is entirely controlled by the board – a board that is forgetting transparency – a board that is being
unresponsive to queries based on who makes them – an a community that chooses to vote against resolutions in their own interests based on who proposes them.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Perhaps the day will come when AfriNIC finds itself in a court of law – and maybe then – when the court issues a ruling – we will see an end to this charade.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Thanks<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Andrew<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> Badru Ntege [mailto:badru.ntege@nftconsult.com]
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<b>Sent:</b> 04 December 2017 11:14<br>
<b>To:</b> Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Christian Ahiauzu <christian.ahiauzu@uniport.edu.ng>; AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List <rpd@afrinic.net><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [rpd] FW: Opposition to the changes in the AfriNIC Soft Landing Policy<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Andrew <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">You raise a number of points which need to be substantiated. Probably offline with Board. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">AfriNic belongs to the whole continent but if sentiments you share are your opinion and not factual it is not good. If they are factual a resolution needs to be explored. Where board comes in. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">On 4 Dec 2017, at 9:29 am, Andrew Alston <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Christian –</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Why would people want to sign up to this list?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">So they can be called Neo-Colonialists when they disagree?
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<p class="MsoNormal">Focus on the technical on RPD <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">So they can be insulted? So they be attacked verballed and abused? So that when that happens they can watch as the code of conduct on the list is never enforced and it happens time and time and
time again? So they can be spammed my messages that have nothing to do with policy and are often not based in any objective fact?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Are there actual issues where this has happened ? <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Would like to hear from secretariat..<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">But please share some facts I’m sure the governance committee was also put in place to handle and guide how we handle. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I can fully understand why people stay away from this list – and further more – technical people subscribe to the list – these policies have business impact – and if you think that the C Level executives
who are signing these documents are going to be on this list – think again – they rely on their technical people to report to them and give them the facts – they rely on the information from outside. Very often, those technical people do not have the authority
to sign a statement like that – however, the executives want the statement made. Let them make it – it is them that are paying AfriNIC’s membership fees which let AfriNIC continue to exist</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Andrew</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> Christian Ahiauzu [<a href="mailto:christian.ahiauzu@uniport.edu.ng">mailto:christian.ahiauzu@uniport.edu.ng</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> 04 December 2017 00:49<br>
<b>To:</b> Andrew Alston <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Badru Ntege <<a href="mailto:badru.ntege@nftconsult.com">badru.ntege@nftconsult.com</a>>; AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [rpd] FW: Opposition to the changes in the AfriNIC Soft Landing Policy</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Hi Andrew,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>On Dec 3, 2017 5:59 AM, "Andrew Alston" <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> On the contrary Badru,<br>
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> They have chosen to send their thoughts to the RPD - they are following the process - and having their voice heard on the policy list.<br>
><o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Yes. They are having their voice heard on the RPD, but the question is, if they haven't signed up on the RPD, are they hearing other peoples voices?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Remember, you are either participating on the RPD, or at the face to face meeting which is the climax of the PDP process. I wonder if these "ISPs" have been following the discussion on the list, and how the decisions where taken. I have no problem with someone
protesting or appealing the decision of the co-chairs. However, they should give themselves the benefit of the doubt and participate in the processes that climaxed to the final rough consensus.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>> What the pdp says is that thoughts should be heard on the list - or at the microphone - nowhere does it state that communication to the list cannot be formal - nowhere does it state it cannot be in a pdf - nowhere does it state that it cannot be signed.<br>
><br>
> The process is being followed - the communication is via the RPD list - and if this violates the process please can someone point to chapter and verse as to where in the process? Once I have it I will go back to the larger block and explain to them that
Afrinic’s process has decided to try and implement a policy that could damage their businesses and this industry while at the same time refusing to let them be heard on the issue - in the forum they were meant to be heard in - because they chose to do it via
a signed letter rather than get abused on a list with vague statements of Neo-colonialism and such.<br>
><o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Going back to a "larger group" and explaining to them things, may not be the right way to go. Why should they not hear for themselves and judge for themselves. What is wrong with them signing up for a list and participating for themselves. With all due respect,
I really think they should sign up on the List and even if they wish to put up a signed document, they are free to do so. My personal opinion please.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>> Be curious to see how that plays out<br>
><br>
> Andrew <br>
><br>
> Get Outlook for iOS<br>
> ________________________________<br>
> From: Badru Ntege <<a href="mailto:badru.ntege@nftconsult.com">badru.ntege@nftconsult.com</a>><br>
> Sent: Sunday, December 3, 2017 6:56:04 AM<br>
> To: Andrew Alston<br>
> Cc: Alan Barrett; Afrinic RPD<br>
><br>
> Subject: Re: [rpd] FW: Opposition to the changes in the AfriNIC Soft Landing Policy<br>
> <br>
> Since these are expressions and the authors have chosen to use a channel out of the RPD then other members could see it as noise. <br>
> Appreciate and note the expressions however continue with information and discussion in the RPD. <br>
><br>
> Let’s not innovate creative channels. There processes to introduce change if members wish to introduce petitions. <br>
><br>
> Regards <br>
><br>
> Sent from my iPhone<br>
><br>
> On 3 Dec 2017, at 03:24, Andrew Alston <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> There is nothing that *requires* it – there is also nothing that forbids it.<br>
>><br>
>> <br>
>><br>
>> There was a discussion in various forums about how to handle this – and various ISP’s have opted to rather sign the petition document and have to forwarded to the list by a single individual – they wish to partake but do not wish to put up with the noise
on this list, so, they are choosing to express their views in their own way.<br>
>><br>
>> <br>
>><br>
>> Since each of them is a paying member, and each of them is impacted by policy, I believe they should be free to express their views in any way they wish, and if that is by signing a petition document and having someone else send it through to the list, I
hardly see a reason to stop it.<br>
>><br>
>> <br>
>><br>
>> Thanks<br>
>><br>
>> <br>
>><br>
>> Andrew<br>
>><br>
>> <br>
>><br>
>> <br>
>><br>
>> From: Alan Barrett [mailto:<a href="mailto:alan.barrett@afrinic.net">alan.barrett@afrinic.net</a>]
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>> Sent: 02 December 2017 11:37<br>
>> To: Afrinic RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br>
>> Subject: Re: [rpd] FW: Opposition to the changes in the AfriNIC Soft Landing Policy<br>
>><br>
>> <br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> > On 1 Dec 2017, at 15:45, Andrew Alston <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> > <br>
>> > Please see attached.<br>
>> > <br>
>> > By agreement I will be sending these signed documents through as they come in from the various parties.<br>
>><br>
>> I don’t know what agreement you mean.<br>
>><br>
>> I am not aware of anything in the policy development process or the appeal process that requires signed documents similar to those I have seen in the past day or so. If people have objections to a policy proposal, I would suggest that they follow the existing
process and make their comments in the RPD mailing list.<br>
>><br>
>> Alan Barrett<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> _______________________________________________<br>
>> RPD mailing list<br>
>> <a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net">RPD@afrinic.net</a><br>
>> <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd">
https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a><br>
>><br>
>> _______________________________________________<br>
>> RPD mailing list<br>
>> <a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net">RPD@afrinic.net</a><br>
>> <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd">
https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a><br>
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><br>
> _______________________________________________<br>
> RPD mailing list<br>
> <a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net">RPD@afrinic.net</a><br>
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